Mark C.
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On 5/16/2020 at 3:19 PM, liambesaw said:
I could have applied my fee to next year's show and kept my spot, but I'm not confident that they'll be around next year after losing out this year, which is why I requested a refund. So far correspondence has been 2+ weeks with them so I'm not expecting a check until summer
This show has been around for a long long time now
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All my shows are juried as well-some have jury fees some do not.Its the way it is everywhere.
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58 minutes ago, liambesaw said:
Sorry, I meant if you don't participate in their online market, you forefeit your application and jury fee, so you will have to reapply for next year's show. Their original plan was to just shoe you in for next year if you wanted. Application and jury fee was not cheap though, so a little sad about that.
Thats not a fair proposal -they are forcing you into something you never signed up for.Its pure greed as far as I am concerned-you signed up for the show -if it canceled you get the money back-if you want to participate in plan B (online market where they get a cut) thats anew deal not part of original contract.Its just like the description of that Montana show I referanced.
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I have heard about some show doing strange things like that. Now in Montana cancelled and offered to sell your small wares at 10% on their website-you do the shipping. They would keep your entry fee as a down payment on that endeavor -made zero sense (this was from a another potter that told me this story)
I despise shows that prey on us without respect-they need to give the booth or jury funds back or if you wish let us decide any other option like next years show as option two. Anything else is unethical and you should decide not to continue business with them in the future.
We as artists have the power to decide who we get to work with. since they are supported by us we get more say than you think. Sometimes it s letter to the board that wakes them up.
I have more than once in my career done this letter or spoked directly with the main person (above the director) . I was instrumental in replacing a sour director at a show about 10 years ago-they fired her on last day as we had had enough and the board knew we would never return.She was hired from one of the Ann arbor shows and treated us like slaughtered pigs .Its in their best interest to do the right thing.
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On 5/15/2020 at 9:01 AM, neilestrick said:
All of my shows through July and some into August have officially cancelled. I didn't even bother to apply to any September shows except one small local show. I've got one May show that rescheduled for August, and one October studio tour show that I was invited to be a part of up north. That's my show schedule for the year-2, maybe 3 shows instead of 15-20. Total bummer. On the plus side, I've gotten back about $1500 in booth fees, and I was finally able to apply for unemployment this week.
Let us know IF any of those shows happen?
For me I doubt any show will happen in 2020 -those are shows are in Washington State, Nevada state and California .I think 2012 is up for grabs as well for gatherings-espacially the spring. The only hope I feel for shows is the states that disregard all science-and there seem to be plenty of those states.
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Summer gatherings in Ca are all canceled-the fall is on the fence leaning heavily towards closed. The cal sate university system (largest in the country) is all online in the fall.
I do not think I will do any shows this year-very slight chance I may do my private outside xmas sale as its a perfect covid-19 venue with only one or two customers -outside and the 6 feet apart is easy at that location-booth is one long setup about 24 feet long-outside under huge overhang. I would have to want to do it and find some younger sales help-(6 hours a day sale)I'll see how I feel then which is two weeks before xmas-I will have to decide to send in my 200$ rent by November so thats a ways off still
Our fair board meets this coming week to talk about our local show-I am going to push for using the jury results this year for next year so we get something for our work already done this year on show and return all the funds and cancel show which is 3rd weekend in Sept.
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I do a show in Wa state every August-since 1993 they are a non profit but are really focused on making that money-I mean really focused-they just sent out a survey monkey on dates for the show in Sept-as tey know its off for this summer. We as artists have other obligations on other dates-really a bad thought moving the show dates.
Many artists have cancelled.I suggested putting all the energy into next year-moving the show dates is always a BAD idea always. Folks have other oblgations and the public knows the datse not the new ones-always a less turn out on another weekend-always less money. I'm hopefull they will see the light and give it up. I do not think its a viable time for a show.,unless there is a major health breakthru. (by sept small chance) Yes I;m a professional but after my 45 years in this I know a bad idea when its floated.
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Neil is the expert on this as he worked for them once
I have seen a few of them restored and a few junked
yours looks in pretty good shape-the controls and fans and burners and conduit do not look rusted to heck-Pretty clean really .You should 1st keep all rain and weather off kiln-no matter what you end up doing to it.Most folks leave them outside and they did of weather
I can say that it has zero salvageable bricks as they are all covered in hard cement and will be a mess once busted apart.
The kiln inside looks about 90% better than any I have seen so that a great start.
I have seen this kiln turned into a down draft natural draft kiln with burners up thru the floor and a exit flue in lower back wall with at all brick chimney. Thats a big job and costly
My thought and Neil can say whether its possible is just get the burners to work and forget all that fancy controls
you need a new larger tarp and keep it dry. Also make sure you do not smash more stuff so the end user has a chance of doing something with it
Are you wanting to use this yourself or just move it on ???Its value is low very low really maybe less than zero .
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Ok I moved them from the work bench to the truck and then took all the little piggies(12 boxes) to market (a gallery) -just in time before the pig factories closed down due to sickness.
Now the factories are ordered to stay open but the workers are all out sick. Just maybe the top piggy will work in the factory and keep the piggies moving??
Strange time for the piggies
Time to make some new little piggies for market
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I'm still thinking and planning for a very very long no show period .Sales at galleries when they start up also will be weak. (less tourists and spooked people for good reason)
sales at my markets will also be less. I am getting more personal contact sales thru returning customers which is fine but I'm having to ship myself more now and I have stepped up and been doing that.Most of those sales(99%) are from far away places. Like Mondays boxes are going to Wa and Mo-all returning customers from my show base of customers.
I was trying to slow down before this all hit and now I'm a bit slower than I thought so I'm adjusting to this new norm .
I am thankful I had three streams of pottery income and still have one solid one (essential natural food markets)
these are the streams and how they now stand
1 shows-direct sales to customers-still have them contacting me for small sales
2 wholesale-galleries-markets-bakeries-still have a few orders from galleries and markets are still open selling work
3-consignment-galleries-closed up tight- but one is selling online ok
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Yes (penetrating oil and remove the setscrew.) take the top apart and soak the head (working upside down) sort of speak on the wheel head itself.I would leave the bottom alone.But if you keep working on it use and let sit penetrating oil . I'm pretty sure the head screws off . Have you removed the table top?
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I think these come apart for sure-its been over 40 years since I did that so I'm no help.
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I started out (after learning the basics)questing for now what I refer to potato chip pots super thin. They broke easily -I sold them to the public-I did not know any better. Time went by. I got feedback over time how fragile they where-I made lots of replacements. I learned that funtional =daily use pots for the open market need to hold up well. More stout. I made this change and never looked back. I'm not in the art pot business . I can throw a thin one for me but not for sale.People like them to last.
Shapes is a different deal thats an evolution of learning what you can do with clay and mastering it.
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Funny thing about that video Min is those are some crystalline potters I'm friends with. He just stopped by our place a few months ago and I bought a large bulk buy of heavy duty metal lotion tops from him.I seem to do this about evey few years from them. They have a second home up the coast from me that they are outfitting for another second pottery studio . They have stopped by a few times. We do a few of the same shows and have helped each other out over the years .Good folks.They are full timers like me and do only crystalline work. Look for them at Anacortes when the next one happens whenever that may be.
PS the lotion pumps I make are screw on tops-the clay is threaded in a mold similar to the video but a bit different as the top is made ina press mold and added to pump jar when firm
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8 hours ago, Callie Beller Diesel said:
@Rae Reich thank you! The lids are model 69-B
That vendor is Chuck and he is a potter-really nice guy-I have dealt with him for Decades. although he has dropped much of the potters line of goods.He is in Seattle area
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I live in a small rural county with about 110,000 pop. We have 51 cases with 3 in hospital 43 of those cases are from contact from international travel and or travelers.
The rest are contact spread in community. Testing is just barley scratched the surface so nobody knows whats really going on. I think this is the case almost everywhere (yes that aircraft carrier and Iceland got to test everyone) so thats a good sample to see whats going on.
So many unknowns -until testing is really widespread its all just a guess really-its testing that will get us back to some sort of norm.Without testing we will be in limbo forever.
At 67 myself I do not want to immerse into a large crowd at this time for obvious reasons. The data is just not there yet to say when is good time to get back to shows.
I'm doubt our state will allow it for a long time (gatherings which shows are really) Our governor has been ahead on the curve in terms closeures of a lot of states (I was told on the 15th of March to stay home)-schools are out for the year and our local JC and local state collage are going into predicted severe financial times for next two years-a 20 million dollar setback for just the state collage alone .
I'm fine with the no art fairs on the financial side for this year. I like the living longer side of life anyway. I will add that the galleries will most likey reopen again by summer on a limited customer in and out basis or maybe in the fall. As I have written about before I have 3 streams of ceramic income and behold in this crisis I still have one left-the super markets and am still taking in wares early am during senior hours weekly as things are slower but still moving along.
This will be a huge financial depression -no way out of that reality. just look at China's GPD realeased this week.
I miss the art shows (there is a zoom meeting of us vendors at a canceled fair this weekend in lieu of the show)
I believe our state and the other two (Oregon and Washington) in the coalition together will slowly get the testing thing together (not the Feds) and move forward with a solid plan on a slow reopening.Califonia has a huge rainy day surplus that Govenor Brown got together the past 8 years. its at a all time high so we have the $$ to spend to get the testing and PPE stuff to get it going. This state is the 5th largest in the world economy (nation state) and has the resources and talent to ghet thru this.(ok I'm a native son)
I said on another thread I thought shows would not happen this year and am sticking by that until some more movement with testing appears and we all feel we are getting a handle on it. I do not yet see this anywhere except on an aircraft carrier in Guam and Iceland (we had to cancel our June Iceland trip a few weeks back)At this time all gatherings(shows sports whatever) seem a long ways off.Next year maybe
All this said I need to have enough stock to handle a big show if it happens (and I choose to go-doubtfull at this time)and still think they might happen also doubtful.I have paid up on all but one event for the year now anyway. I still need stock for my wholesale orders (still an unknown) and still need stock for my wholesale super market sales that are on going and still have stock for my consignment galleries when they reopen (still an unknown)-that all adds up to make and stockpile pots. They unlike bread do not go bad and having way to many pots sounds about righ right now.Its like my own stimulus pile of potterty for when things get better. Also its like later I can play more as well so really its a win win to make them now.
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IT guy I'm not a It guy just a potter who has been around (potter nor-cal boomer)
That kiln I think was made by
slipmaster sugar creek industries
put that in your search engine and you will see that make/made slip equipment for many decades. They would know that kiln inside out-Now as to Karl King he lives in Copenhagen and is not letting his kilns run free.
I am old enough to know about sugar creek as I like cookies back in the day and also bought a few things from them back when nets where made for catching fish not surfing with.
Hope this fairy tale ends well for all -cowabunga
oh ya welcome aboard matey hope this info helps ye
thar she blows and blow the man down
- SoCalBoomer and Babs
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BBQ tuna for us last night-I forgot to take a photo-next tuna time.
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3 hours ago, Rae Reich said:
@Mark C., is the Seafoam Satin Matte on the bottom shelf of the last photo? A nice addition to your palette.
No its in bottom shelves and bottom front in 1st photo of little kiln-I have had it for decades now and was running low on the old school talc that makes it happen.Min helped me with new talc usage and a new tweeked recipe .
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Blackthorn Yesterdays glaze loads
The 1st photo is the small updraft gas kiln the other three shots are the larger downdraft car kiln
packed up most of these pots for future wholesale order in gallery about 10 drive from here.I take them about 1/2 way down in next Month (late May ) if I'm allowed to go.
The fires turned out very well with only a few refires(3-4 pots with pits) It's pits that happen with so much rutile glaze used in a reduction atmosphere . I have learned very well how to get near 100% refires to work at this point-it all depends where in kiln they go. Working with most of the glazes for over 40 years now I can usually control how much they run. I had one runner in all these pots and it was a sponge holder fired to a hard cone 11 near burner.
Min the new Seafoam satin matt glaze came out super in the small kiln bottom (hot spot)Thanks again for that help
Glazes range from black to browns blues and greens to landscapes-shiny to matt.
I decided to work one week in clay and take the next week off and so forth to get my other projects done. Back to clay next Monday.
I unloaded on Friday afternoon and by saturday mid day they where all packed in boxes and accounted for.Some for wholesale otrder some for lacal supoermarkets some for a gallery when they reopen.
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I have a nasty case of plantar fasciitis in right foot and am not allowed to walk much or ride a bike -I'm icing, infrared red lighting,stretching, swearing, rubbing and hoping after 4 months this will get better soon.I am trying hard to stay off my feet which for me is near impossible .
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29 minutes ago, liambesaw said:
Everything looks in order, permission to procede.
I just turned off the gas at cone 11-1/2 on car kiln-to late the shop has sailed . Little kiln went off at 3 pm as well. Heat wave spring day here -was 77 degrees today-darn lawn is growing again-I think I can hear it.
QotW: What are your beliefs about the time to reopen the economy and returning to Summer craft shows?
in Int'l Ceramic Artists Network (ICAN) Operations and Benefits
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Jury fees are a mixed bag for sure. After retiring from a large show that I had done for 25 years twice a year they asked if I would jury the show (ceramics)-no pay -a Zapp show
over 500 entries under 1000. Remember. clay and jewelry are the big categories
I passed for other resons than no-pay-I have many potter friends and I did not want to alienate any of them.
My fellow potter said yes to that same request at another Wyoming Zapp show . He was only doing the ceramic arts part -it took him most of two days -he said no next time.
Jury work is long and tedious for these large shows can have many many thousands of appliacants -jury fees can be big business.
Our local show I'm on the board of- (100 artists) we do not charge a jury fee.