eoteceramics Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Hi, I have a piece of bisque , took a while to make but after first firing two cracks formed where one piece joins another, only small but noticeable. Anyone know of a way to disguise them? Thanks Julia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biglou13 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I recently had a plate with 2 small cracks after bisque, not thickness, and wondered the same question. I was hoping glaze would fill or at least minimize, which had been the case with a cup in the past. The end product resulted in two visible larger cracks with glaze on them. The only other disguise I can think of if is kintsugi, and if not gold or silver then maybe enamel paint . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoteceramics Posted September 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks for replies, will try and get hold of mender friend, Tried filling with glaze with no luck on a piece a while back, Julia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohaku Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I've had good luck with repairing bisque using magic mud (basically paper clay with sodium silicate and soda ash). There's a recipe at Lakeside Pottery. Obviously- should be made with the same clay as you bisqueware... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I have found at times that a small crack that will probably get wider is easier to hide if you grind out the area a bit opening up the crack so that the glaze will work into the area more instead of just covering over the space. Work the first coat in with a stiff brush, and dip, spray, other coats. This has worked about 75% of the time with student pots. O only used this when the crack did not appear "structural". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mregecko Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I've had luck before filling small cracks with a combination of glaze and crushed bisqueware. I'll usually take a trash piece of bisqueware, crunch it up finely (with a hammer, mortar+pestle, whatever), then mix it in with some thick glaze (either let some dry out or scrape it off the sides / top of the bucket). Then I'll pack the mixture into the crack. I haven't ever done it in the bottom of a water-holding vessel (I doubt it would be water-tight), just on cracked rims and joined pieces... But have had very good luck with it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayjay Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks for replies, will try and get hold of mender friend, Tried filling with glaze with no luck on a piece a while back, Julia Bath Potters (in the UK) do one for stoneware and porcelain if you're firing that high, (and more often than not they'll be cheaper than Potterycrafts). I have no idea of its efficacy. http://www.bathpotters.co.uk/high-fire-mender-2oz/p5369 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Bisque fix made by amaco will fill this well and glaze will cover it. High fire mender will also work. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik-W Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 A lot of people seem to think (probably with good reason) that it is not worth the trouble to try and fill cracks because it will probably get worse and it is easier just to start over. Especially with higher-fired stuff such as stoneware or porcelein it is apparently more difficult. However it is not a satisfying answer for something which took a lot of time & very hard work. I wish there was more technically-explained solutions that will work. I will share the little information I have: There is a product by Duncan called "Patch-A-Tatch". "ceramic cement used to attach or repair greenware or bisque". I know this works for attaching pieces that have broken off, e.g. handles etc, but I have not tried it for cracks. I think it is some kind of mixture that melts and fuses the two pieces together when fired. (Ceramic "Flux") I have read about using the same phase of clay as in the original piece, e.g. if it is bisqued, then grind up bisque pieces and patch it (do not use raw clay to patch a bisqued thing). This makes sense to me because the shrinkage rates should be the same. So it might be worth a try to mix pieces of ground bisque with e.g. Patch-A-Tatch or some kind of "flux" or paperclay slurry. I know that paperclay has an amazing ability to attach to dry clay or even bisque. When it dries it does not shrink as much due to the paper fibres and it attaches better. At the moment I am trying to fix a crack in greenware with paperclay. I have mixed the same type of clay with a bit of toilet paper to a slurry. Often people advise to mix in a bit of vinegar. The patch worked well but I still have to fire it. I fire only to earthenware temperatures so maybe I have a chance. I will post the results in a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancisse Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 As said Hohaku, paper clay can be used on the bisque, but need to be fired again as a bisque. Unless, when you glaze, put enough on the crack, and it should disapear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoteceramics Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Just an update, I got hold of mender friend a kind of silver colour in the pot, fires white and covered up the crack ok. thanks for all the suggestions and posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik-W Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just to let those who might be interested know: The crack mended beautifully. No sign of it after firing. (Earthenware). It was a patch slurry made of paperclay and "Patch-A-Tatch". So it was either the paperclay or the "Patch-A-Tatch" or both that did the magic. A lot of people seem to think (probably with good reason) that it is not worth the trouble to try and fill cracks because it will probably get worse and it is easier just to start over. Especially with higher-fired stuff such as stoneware or porcelein it is apparently more difficult. However it is not a satisfying answer for something which took a lot of time & very hard work. I wish there was more technically-explained solutions that will work. I will share the little information I have: There is a product by Duncan called "Patch-A-Tatch". "ceramic cement used to attach or repair greenware or bisque". I know this works for attaching pieces that have broken off, e.g. handles etc, but I have not tried it for cracks. I think it is some kind of mixture that melts and fuses the two pieces together when fired. (Ceramic "Flux") I have read about using the same phase of clay as in the original piece, e.g. if it is bisqued, then grind up bisque pieces and patch it (do not use raw clay to patch a bisqued thing). This makes sense to me because the shrinkage rates should be the same. So it might be worth a try to mix pieces of ground bisque with e.g. Patch-A-Tatch or some kind of "flux" or paperclay slurry. I know that paperclay has an amazing ability to attach to dry clay or even bisque. When it dries it does not shrink as much due to the paper fibres and it attaches better. At the moment I am trying to fix a crack in greenware with paperclay. I have mixed the same type of clay with a bit of toilet paper to a slurry. Often people advise to mix in a bit of vinegar. The patch worked well but I still have to fire it. I fire only to earthenware temperatures so maybe I have a chance. I will post the results in a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmuddy Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 I'm having the crack problem on a piece of green ware that I'm too attached to to scrap. I will try the patch soulotions recommend here Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmuddy Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 If the crack is a hairline about 1/4Inch long what are the chances of painting glaze in the crack and letting it dry then do the glazeing would help to fix the crack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liambesaw Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, Oldmuddy said: If the crack is a hairline about 1/4Inch long what are the chances of painting glaze in the crack and letting it dry then do the glazeing would help to fix the crack? Sometimes. Wouldn't bet money on it, but I've had handle cracks heal fine with glaze. I've also had handle cracks separate further with glaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Only way to know is to do. Could improve, could be worse. It's like trying to fill a crack in woodwork with paint. Rarely ever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Wouldn' risk mending s handle unless just the small crack near where handle attached to base, with no structural importance. These can be worked after attachment with a small tool. SPOOZ E hasn' been mentioned here. Add paper to it to lessen shrinkage. Spooze recipe search this forum using the search option at top of page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preeta Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 So many things to consider. Where is the crack? Vertical or horizontal. I’ve had more success with glaze filling in horizontal cracks than vertical. However for a time. Eventually over time and use its leaked. Ive fixed cracks using a similar formula mentioned here. But then I had it go thru another bisque fire before a glaze fire. If it worked then I’d continue glazing. The cracks grow bigger in glaze fire. Patch attach works for greenware. So works at 04. If I remember right earthenware glaze fire is lower than bisque. So cracks growing in glaze fire is not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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