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#1 clay lover

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

Has this happened to you or anyone you know?



Potter friend goes to get his CWP, (concealed weapons permit). Gets finger printed as part of the process, He has NO fingerprints! or not enough to get a print of. He has been a potter for years, but never fingerprinted before. Permit denied due to lack of traceable prints! The officer doing the paperwork asked what line of work he was in and concluded the silica in the clay was responsible for slowly grinding the guy's prints down.



Too strange.

#2 Rebekah Krieger

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

Has this happened to you or anyone you know?



Potter friend goes to get his CWP, (concealed weapons permit). Gets finger printed as part of the process, He has NO fingerprints! or not enough to get a print of. He has been a potter for years, but never fingerprinted before. Permit denied due to lack of traceable prints! The officer doing the paperwork asked what line of work he was in and concluded the silica in the clay was responsible for slowly grinding the guy's prints down.



Too strange.



poor guy- he should repeal the decision, his rights shouldn't be denied because he is a potter. Maybe he can offer dna in exchange ?
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#3 Diane Puckett

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

I know another potter who had the same problem when she worked in a facility where employees gained entrance via a fingerprint scanner. It could not read a fingerprint on her.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

I was trying to snap my fingers yesterday. Couldn't make a sound. All my kids can make a loud snapping sound. Derisive laughter insued. I did think about the wear and tear on my fingers from making pots, but I haven't been able to make a good snap sound for years.
I was finger printed two years ago- not what you think. I f you work with children, as in teacher, you have to get a police check. Sometimes, there is another person with the same name or same birth date who is a criminal, and you have to get fingerprinted. So I got the fingerprinting, and I DID have finger prints, but I still can't snap my fingers.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

I did not have a fingerprint when I went to renew my drivers license a month ago. I thought it was so strange, but I guess that makes sense, the prints are worn off. hmmm

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

I don't think I have very good finger prints either my fingertips are very slick and I can't snap but one middle finger. To make matters worse I worked boilers, steamer and grinders at a commercial dental lab, you spent the first month you worked there in bandages until your hands got use to the abuse. I'm surprised the authorities wouldn't take his palm print as identification.

#7 JBaymore

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

OK potters........ a life of petty burgulary is possible as a sideline without detection. B)src="http://ceramicartsda...ault/cool.gif">

best,

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#8 bciskepottery

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Requirements, such as fingerprints, for permits are determined by local and state laws, not by the FBI. And, the process for getting a permit is separate from the process for actually purchasing a firearm. Some states do their own checks for purchases; some states use the FBI. States using the FBI for gun purchases do not submit fingerprints; they only submit the data on the ATF form they fill out.

States do have alternatives for dealing with persons with worn/missing digits. That is not an uncommon problem (occupational and sometimes intentional) encountered fingerprinting criminals.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

I know someone who didn't have prints due to a previous line of work, not pottery but equally abusive to the fingers, and later on they came back. I don't know how long it took.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

Fingerprints (like clay) have memory; yes, they do come back over time after the abraiding of the surface has stopped. Criminals have tried sanding, etc. -- to no permanent solution.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

I throw every day for a living and clock in on a print scanner. I've never had a problem with it. However, it is quite difficult to turn the pages of books due to the wear on my prints.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:29 AM

What state fingerprints drivers for a license renewal?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

same here - when I replaced my lost ID document a year ago, the scanner could not read my fingerprints. I felt like a criminal ;-)
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

What state fingerprints drivers for a license renewal?



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Yep, happened to me when I was going through the immigration process...luckily I had a very patient INS employee working with me and she took about half a dozen tries until she was able to get a decent digital scan. Interestingly in the several other times I've needed digital printing (state license, etc) there hasn't been a problem, must have laid off the clay for a bit prior!

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

It is not just the missing fingerprints. Peripheral neuropathy, osteoarthritis, propriorecepters malfunction (like in the Yedrow case),
all these can be caused by the repetitive assault to your skin and fingers by the clay body.
Use the rubber gloves! Not a complete "cure" to prevent the arthritis, but at least it would save your fingerprints
if that is so important for you.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

It is not just the missing fingerprints. Peripheral neuropathy, osteoarthritis, propriorecepters malfunction (like in the Yedrow case),
all these can be caused by the repetitive assault to your skin and fingers by the clay body.
Use the rubber gloves! Not a complete "cure" to prevent the arthritis, but at least it would save your fingerprints
if that is so important for you.


Do you mean that the arthritis in my fingers, which started a couple of years into my pottery life, is from the clay, not just my age? (73...I've been pottering for about 5 years now)

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:59 PM


It is not just the missing fingerprints. Peripheral neuropathy, osteoarthritis, propriorecepters malfunction (like in the Yedrow case),
all these can be caused by the repetitive assault to your skin and fingers by the clay body.
Use the rubber gloves! Not a complete "cure" to prevent the arthritis, but at least it would save your fingerprints
if that is so important for you.


Do you mean that the arthritis in my fingers, which started a couple of years into my pottery life, is from the clay, not just my age? (73...I've been pottering for about 5 years now)


No, the clay didn't cause your arthritis. Rubber gloves? Good Grief!!!

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:42 PM


It is not just the missing fingerprints. Peripheral neuropathy, osteoarthritis, propriorecepters malfunction (like in the Yedrow case),
all these can be caused by the repetitive assault to your skin and fingers by the clay body.
Use the rubber gloves! Not a complete "cure" to prevent the arthritis, but at least it would save your fingerprints
if that is so important for you.


Do you mean that the arthritis in my fingers, which started a couple of years into my pottery life, is from the clay, not just my age? (73...I've been pottering for about 5 years now)



No, the clay does not cause arthritis, the clay makes it miserable.
Any cold environment (like the clay body) and overuse of your joints (like wedging) will do it.

Gloves: I meant fine surgical gloves that hospitals use for everything including the surgeries.
The finest and most complicated procedures are done with the gloves on.
This is for those who must buy the guns and keep the fingerprints.




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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

A few months ago I thought it would be fun to make a bisque stamp using a stylized version of my fingerprint. So, having been trained in taking and lifting prints in my short career as a police investigator, I got myself an ink pad and started to roll my fingers. All I got were scratches. . No prints at all. Hmmm, I thought my skills had really gotten rusty in the last 30 years. I looked at my fingers under a lighted magnifier and sure enough, no prints. Now, after sitting out with the flu for a couple of weeks, I can see a little bit coming back. But mostly all I can see are a lot of tiny scratches.




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