Mark C. Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just did a calculation on our last bill and our area is 23 cents per kilowatt and this is the lower winter rate cost for power as hydroelectric is in full swing. I know we have one of the highest rates in mainland. My 10 cubic 1227 Skutt is around 18-20$ for a 08 bisque during winter rates I did this calculation buy shutting off our 9.6 KW solar system on bisque day to see the current rates So glad we went solar last year. If I recall the utility pays Galzenerd (Tom) to fire his kilns just to get some electrons moving down the line. Whats your kilowatt cost for your area- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kielb Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 -15 cents give or take. Nat gas rates leaping upward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 About 17p per Kwh. 23cents ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhPotter Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 9.5 cents per Kwh. that is up 1 cent per Kwh over last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta12 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 9.5 cents per Kwh here in Northwestern Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 According to the latest bill, it was $.12 Canadian in December, and went up to about $.16 for January. It’s usually more expensive this time of year because winter, and like Bill mentioned, natural gas is going up. I don’t do a locked in rate because it averages out cheaper not to. So December was about $.095 US, and January is $.126/KWh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 We're on a PGE "net metering" plan, where the meter runs "backward" when the solar is producing more than we're using. We try pare down the juice use during "part peak" and "peak" rate times, e.g. charging the car and firing the kiln... Our "off peak" rate just went up to 25.4¢/kw That's "Tier 1" - if we consume more than 8.2kw/day the rates jump to "Tier 2"... When we had solar installed, at then current rates, we figured break-even point was almost five years away, however, electric rates went up - I'm figurin' we broke even in less than four years and add in that running an electric car can be a $aver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswan Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Near Baltimore, our rate is about 8.3 cents right now. I wish we could have solar, but our house is surrounded by trees. On the plus side, we have trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 About 17 cents in my shop, although I haven't calculated it recently. The rate tends to fluctuate each month depending on how much I use. I have not idea how they calculate it. My supplier doesn't offer off-hour rates for commercial accounts, which is unfortunate because I fire almost exclusively at night. My 10 cubic foot kiln costs about $18 for a cone 6 firing with a cooling cycle, which is not much if you consider the value of the work that can fit in it. One thing to remember is that the cost per kWh that is listed on your electric bill is not the actual cost to you. There's also the delivery fee and a million other charges on there. To get the true cost per kWh, you have to take the total cost for the month and divide it by the total kWh usage for that month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 all this is true (One thing to remember is that the cost per kWh that is listed on your electric bill is not the actual cost to you. There's also the delivery fee and a million other charges on there. To get the true cost per kWh, you have to take the total cost for the month and divide it by the total kWh usage for that month.) theres is a lot to figure to get that true cost-and for some like me their is a tier system to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kielb Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mark C. said: There's also the delivery fee and a million other charges on there. To get the true cost per kWh, you have to take the total cost for the month and divide it by the total kWh usage for that month.) theres is a lot to figure to get that true cost I always viewed it as consisting of the demand, delivery, taxes, etc…….. as long as it’s based on amount consumed I think it is your cost for kWh of electricity unless you are demand limiting etc…. It’s interesting to know I guess but not sure what one would do with it other than realize: taxes, delivery and subsidies may be high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 The other fees, total cost, good point Neal. Looks like our delivery accumulates daily at 33.26 cents/day, so ~$10/month; energy commission tax,3 to 4 cents/month. I'm curious how our ~10/month (it's fairly constant/nonvariable) "other fees" compares to other utility vendors' ...particularly as our off peak per kW is on leaderboard, #1 as o' today... Next day: On account o' curious, found Electricity Rates By State - EnergyBot, confirmed Hawaii has highest average kwh rate, ~34 cents, California next, ~24 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazenerd Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 Mark- for over a decade it was 6 cents a kilowatt: recently it went to 8 cents a kilowatt. There is a back story to this as well. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 tiered system here, in US dollars it's 7.4 cents for the first 1350 kWh then bumps to 11.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piedmont Pottery Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 We were at $0.133/kWH last month in central North Carolina, including all fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just because I happen to have the last quarter’s bills handy (thanks, GST filing), The rate riders and delivery charges are static. So I’d be paying those to power my house anyways. Depending on how you want to generate your reporting, or what purposes you need it for, it may or may not be valuable to include those in your KWh calculations. For tax purposes, I wind up writing off a percentage of my entire bill that’s based on the size of my studio within my home, so the fixed cost portion of the bill is included. But if I’m figuring COGS, I don’t include the fixed costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kielb Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Callie Beller Diesel said: But if I’m figuring COGS, I don’t include the fixed costs. It’s not considered as overhead? Just asking … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted February 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Yes I',m the same with you Callie on a % of space (studio to house interior square feet) which also includes my office (in home) to calculate the percentage of electric bills. I have a separate gas meter so thats a straight bill not a percentage . That % includes property tax and a few other items as well in the same calculation. I keep my vehilces separate as well-one for business -one for personal etc Tom is paying 2/3 less for power than us-maybe its a power plant on the river or snaow melt power maybe its corn stalks for bio mass burn. Mid west power is super cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 19 hours ago, Bill Kielb said: t’s not considered as overhead? Just asking … Because I have a home based studio, I’d be paying the fixed costs even if I wasn’t self employed. Edited to add: If I was renting space somewhere else, or even had it on a separate meter, the whole thing would be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 16 hours ago, Mark C. said: Mid west power is super cheap. I don’t know about the Mid west, but Alberta’s power grid is mostly natural gas powered. My bill for January is $100 more than in December, despite using only about half what I did. Natural gas just took a big leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRoads Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 Haven't looked at an electric bill in years. I get 3 of them. One farm, one residential, one commercial. Farm was .10, residential .12 & commercial .13 per kWh. This was for December, not sure if it changes per month. Bills are down from last year due to using timers in the show room. For some reason Mississippi adds sales tax to commercial rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRoads Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 You fire bisque to cone 08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted February 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 11 hours ago, DirtRoads said: You fire bisque to cone 08? yes when in an electric always to cone 08 for my porcelain no need to go higher. In the gas kilns (which is 99% of where I bisque work) its no cone just a pryro reading of around 1800 Most folks really bisque hotter but I have found its not gaining me anything so 08 for past 30 plus years. Of course the kilns are packed super tight and its all porcelain. Sales tax on electricity ? that a new one-whats next air tax on breathing air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRoads Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 yeah I bisque to 05 (1888ish). This place I buy some slip wares from bisques to 06. Think I'm lowering to 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazenerd Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Mark C. When I built my house in 05/06; I was working with SIU-E on a green energy study a group of students were involved with. They took my house plans, and did energy modeling studies using various heat sources, insulation R values, and U- values. I had a working relationship with Trane (HVAC), and they were testing a new 19 seer 2-stage heat pump. Our local electric provider was also working with SIU-E as part of a Federal study. So at the time; my house was built using cutting edge (now common) materials and HVAC equipment. For nearly a decade, my house was monitored for consumption, and data sent to SIU-E. My 0.06 cents per kilowatt was part of that arrangement. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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