potziller Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hi folks, Stoneware: it's stronger, less porous and far more commonly referenced as a potting material than earthenware - so why would i want to use an earthenware clay body? V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trina Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 just cuz.....hahaha actually stoneware is not stronger, and stoneware only vitrifes when you fire it to maturity otherwise its basically earthware with grog.. I know that Offcentre had an interesting post about this maybe he will chime in , tell me that i don't know what I am on about and point you in the right direction..T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Trina is correct. When fired to maturity, earthenware is as strong or stronger than stoneware. Also, I would say earthenware is universally used more often than stoneware on a worldwide scale. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atanzey Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 And while we can't speak to why YOU would want to use it, the choice often lies in the firing limitations. It's easier (and less expensive) to get to earthenware temperatures. Alice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hi folks, Stoneware: it's stronger, less porous and far more commonly referenced as a potting material than earthenware - so why would i want to use an earthenware clay body? V sundogred.jpg When I saw the above nonsense, I thought Oh crap, here we go again, I gotta dig out the Pinnell MOR test results, etc., but thanks to Trina and Marcia I can go pick muscadines instead. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay lover Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 That can only be used as an excuse if you then make muscadine wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trina Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 and Jim if you choose to distil, make sure you don't blind yourself...T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Clay Lover and Trina, I do, indeed, intend to make muscadine wine this year for the first time. I've had to drink a lot of wine to save up bottles. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo_heff Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 The porosity of earthenware is desirable in some cases such as in a desert water vessle: the evaporating water, through the process of evaopative cooling actually cools the water in the vessel. Terra cotta chicken roasters work well too if you soak them in water before cooking: they give of the moisture and add some steam to the cooking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perkolator Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 the issue is not necessarily always about fired strength or vitrification - since you can achieve both at either temp. there is however a pretty good difference in energy cost, firing time, wear on kiln, color palette, etc. between the two firing ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trina Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Clay Lover and Trina, I do, indeed, intend to make muscadine wine this year for the first time. I've had to drink a lot of wine to save up bottles. Jim that was your first mistake, you should have consumed an oak barrel of brandy to put the wine into. makes it taste way better, and don't let anyone put you off adding a bit of yeast to the mix, it makes for a better colour....T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephsteph Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 all i can say is look at the marvelous history of pottery. look at the pottery produced in cultures all over the world , from the deep past to the hip present. Everywhere you will find lovely ,gorgeous , functional earthenware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 stephsteph, just looked at your website. beautiful tiles, wonderful sculpture. wish you were closer, i have several boxes of hestia to give someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik-W Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Earthenware requires far less energy to fire, so you save on electricity, you save on greenhouse gasses and you help save the planet. Your kiln and kiln elements will last much longer with earthenware. Many colours come out brighter for earthenware. Bisque and glaze firing temperatures for earthenware are so close that you can sometimes combine green and glaze ware and in one firing. Many potters fire stoneware by default, for no good reason. What a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Just don't use tell folks it's good for microwave. The porosity allows water in the ware and will burn the stuffens out of your hand picking up a mug from the MW.(as will under fired stoneware) Folks then think all pottery is not MW -able and their eyes glaze over when you tell them about all this stuff. Wyndham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trina Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 my eyes are glazing over even as we speak....T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmartCat Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Just don't use tell folks it's good for microwave. The porosity allows water in the ware and will burn the stuffens out of your hand picking up a mug from the MW.(as will under fired stoneware) Folks then think all pottery is not MW -able and their eyes glaze over when you tell them about all this stuff. Wyndham It depends on the body. I have earthenware that I put in the microwave successfully; other low-fire bodies are completely no go. Whites in particular will burn your fingers off. It's necessary to test...a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 What earthenware clay body, just curious that can take a MW nuke? Wyndham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potziller Posted August 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Hi folks, Stoneware: it's stronger, less porous and far more commonly referenced as a potting material than earthenware - so why would i want to use an earthenware clay body? V sundogred.jpg When I saw the above nonsense, I thought Oh crap, here we go again, I gotta dig out the Pinnell MOR test results, etc., but thanks to Trina and Marcia I can go pick muscadines instead. Jim Well Jim, if you're just going to be rude, please don't bother replying. And if I simple get folk using this forum to be rude and not answer questions, then tell me, what is the point of joining and using 'a forum'. If you ain't got anything constructive to say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bciskepottery Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Here's a link to a good handout from Linda Arbuckle on earthenware. http://lindaarbuckle.com/handouts/clay-earthenware.pdf Actually, her handouts page is a great source of information for potters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMB Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I doubt off center is being rude. This is actually an eye opener and Iv never known the difference, lets just say it wasnt covered in school. Off Center no worries on using barrels. Please dont waste a good barrel on Muscadine wine. Add some good brew yeast and kick up the sugar level for at least 12% but make sure you will leave it sweet. Dry muscadine wine is not so pleasant unless made really well. Hope youre first brew season goes well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potziller Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Thanks bciskepottery, that will keep me occupied for a bit! ATB, V:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potziller Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I doubt off center is being rude. This is actually an eye opener and Iv never known the difference, lets just say it wasnt covered in school. Off Center no worries on using barrels. Please dont waste a good barrel on Muscadine wine. Add some good brew yeast and kick up the sugar level for at least 12% but make sure you will leave it sweet. Dry muscadine wine is not so pleasant unless made really well. Hope youre first brew season goes well! Well MMB, it comes over as rude (that's why emoticons were devised - to clarify), but I guess only OC can really answer that one! It's certainly rude / off-hand to make that comment then 'chat' about one's one wine making! That's just taking / talking over someone else. Wouldn't put up with that in a real time situation - won't put up with it in a forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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