Apocalypticamerica Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 I knew my Amaco Blue Midnight glaze was food safe, but I since I'm a big dummy I forgot to check the label and layered quite a bit of dinnerware with Palladium over it. I now see it's not food safe. I obviously am not going to give out any of these, but I'm wondering if some of the pieces with just a little on the rim might be in the realm of "safe enough" to use on my own, with caution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 (not food safe) says it all.This is a gray area but its your grey area if you use them.Whats the unsafe materials-I'm guessing they do not list them?The ones that are really bad are cadmium, and Lead lesser things are Antimony, barium, cobalt, lithium, manganese this may help https://digitalfire.com/4sight/education/being_realistic_about_toxicity_and_safety_in_ceramics_278.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 It's your call, but I wouldn't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypticamerica Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 From what I've read, the thing is acidic food can leach the metals. So my thinking was, for bowls/cups on which I've only used a spot of Palladium on the bottom, it could be used for water only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Acids make for faster leaching. You have yet to say what metals they are? I would not drink from a known leaching glaze. Another approach is to use acid foods to make them leach for awhile (throw acid foods out afterwards) then most toxics may be gone. This may take some time.The thinking is there is only a limited amount of material to be leached after that its about moot. Its gamble - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 From the Safety Data Sheet for Palladium, it contains up to 5% of both copper oxide and manganese dioxide. No clue if the base glaze is stable but even if it was it will be made unstable by the high amounts of colourants used to make such a metallic finish. Dishwasher detergent can degrade unstable glazes also. Can you be sure the pots won’t be used by others in the future for coffee etc? I wouldn’t use them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liambesaw Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Instead of using them for food or drink you could use them for keys or pocket change, a nice bowl for your throwing water, etc. They're not safe for food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypticamerica Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 *sigh* I guess it's time to face the music. I already knew the answer, I guess I just needed to hear some other people say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Pots are not precious. Maybe just throw new ones and glaze safe and consider tossing the unsafe ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypticamerica Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 I'm going to toss a large majority of the unsafe ones. I don't really trust them to not be used down the line if I hand them out to friends. If it had been less work, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but it was almost two full kiln loads worth of pots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 If it makes you feel any better I lost a 35 cubic foot car kiln bisque load once-(fell over) at least two 10 cubic electric loads (all bisque overtired ) and at least 3- 35 cubic foot glaze loads(two where bad clay and one was an 7.0 earthquake) whats a few electric loads really in the long run. Remember ceramics can kick your butt at any moment anyhow is not part of your name the end of something?-maybe it was those pots? You just need to keep making the wares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Can you drill holes in bottom and use for succulents etc. Stuck together for a divider in your garden,,,, Stuck together water feature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Babs said: Can you drill holes in bottom and use for succulents etc. Stuck together for a divider in your garden,,,, Stuck together water feature... How about drilling them and using them as head pieces for wind chimes? You could also make the chime pieces in the form of thin rods or tubes... Hmmm... I think I have the basis for a new winter project or even a COMMUNITY CHALLENGE ... JohnnyK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Repurposing those pots into yard art or water features or wind chimes sounds great as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypticamerica Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Yea, I gave a few to a friend to re-purpose as planters in her yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeU Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 12:42 AM, Apocalypticamerica said: *sigh* I guess it's time to face the music. I already knew the answer, I guess I just needed to hear some other people say it. Join the club..most of us wish at one time or another that there is "another, softer way". But there is not. I found it important to my growth and training to work at getting over viewing things as too "precious" --becasue that very best piece will break, that plate will be unsafe, that beautifully thrown mug will have ugly flaws, that amazing glaze will be on a piece that is too wonky to justify. I send them to meet Mr. Hammer and decorate my fairy garden with selected sherds or use them mosaic-like in another format (first I Dremel the broken edges so they are not cutting sharp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae Reich Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 7:58 PM, liambesaw said: Instead of using them for food or drink you could use them for keys or pocket change, a nice bowl for your throwing water, etc. They're not safe for food But you can never tell what uses they'll have when they leave your hands. Keys and change will scratch the palladium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liambesaw Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, Rae Reich said: But you can never tell what uses they'll have when they leave your hands. Keys and change will scratch the palladium. Yeah at the time I didn't realize he had an entire kiln load to find a use for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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