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Hi,

I'm interested in painting/glazing porcelain, not ceramic, dinnerware for a one-time decorating task, but am not interested in learning this craft at your advanced level. My overall design inspiration for my camper trailer is an under-the-sea ocean look, and I'm obsessed with the salt and pepper shakers shown below,  but they're made in China and the company didn't make coordinating dinnerware. I like the bowl shown below because it reminds me of a sea cucumber.

My reasons for doing this is because I'm seeking an organic look; am concerned about health issues which may be associated with glazes that come from China;  and I mostly want smaller items, such as luncheon plates, 12 oz mugs, and 4-5 inch bowls. I want my end result to be as sturdy as possible, and to be dishwasher, microwave, and oven-safe. Here are my questions:

1.  Is it possible to buy pre-made porcelain forms (plates, bowls,  cups) that are untreated and ready for painting and firing? (Traditional style,  not rustic freeform).

2.  Can the dishwasher, microwave, oven-safe porcelain medium be purchased in raw form, and be rolled and hand shaped into rustic items (plates, mugs, bowls) like the bowl below without expensive tools or a wheel?

3.  If I am able to purchase forms or raw materials, who could I contact in the Pacific Northwest to fire/finish the items? Where would I find a list of kiln firing businesses? 

4.  If I can't purchase raw materials or forms, but still wanted to participate in the creative process,  could I hire someone to make the forms, and then finish them once I've painted them?

5.  If none of these options are possible,  are there artists I could hire to make some small, sturdy, freeform dinnerware for me using safe glazes?

Thanks for reviewing my questions, and for your time in answering them. I eagerly await your responses!

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Not to be snarky, but what you show as wanting to make is not newbie material, and to Learn how to make those will require more effort than it sounds like you want to put in. "us advanced" artists have worked hundreds and thousands of hours to perfect a very basic process which you want to learn to do in a weekend. Save yourself the hassle, and pay "one of us pro's" to do it, but be prepared, we don't work for near as cheap as the Chinese do. Find the artist whose work you like and buy what they make as part of their standard line. If they have to custom design and make work for you it will cost you much more (I charge $80/hr for custom work). Glazes fall into same category; the bowl is glazed in a what looks like floating blue at cone 6, and fairly common recipe but not every Potter is using it, or willing to add a glaze into their palette just for you, without charging you handsomely for it. When it comes to food safety and glazes; there unfortunately is no certification for small potteries to go through to meet safety certs so you're gonna have to trust the artist, which most full time professionals are credible but some idiots still exist. Some artists may allow you to participate in the making process but be a little more open to the creative process, and be more interested than "not wanting to learn it as much as we do".  

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Why porcelain. 

1. Non porcelain yes.  I’ve not seen any in porcelain. 

2. Yes all the raw materials can be purchased. Unfortunately as hichmss pointed out you’ll need some practise. 

3. Research ceramic store/ shop in your area. Or nearby. Talk to them. They will probably be able to help you more than we can. And they might offer classes for you to learn. Or look for a clay studio and ask them where they get their supplies.  

4. If you are willing to make the financial commitment I don’t see why not. Again a local store or studio might give you better leads than here.  You might have to negotiate or not get exactly what you want. Or you might something even better.  However even painting is a learning process. Are you willing to put in the time and effort?

5. Not sure why you have to hire them if you are talking about some simple bowls.  Walk into any studio and see what they have to offer. Different sizes of bowls are one of  the most common things potters make. 

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Great questions, and the simplest answer to questions 1-4 is: take a pottery class. In general, you either need to a part of  the entire process or not. I don't think you'll find an artist who is willing to make pieces for you to paint. I know I wouldn't. If you want to buy my work, great, but I'm not going to collaborate with someone I don't know. You can buy bisque ware that is ready to be glazed, but it will be low-fire white clay, not porcelain. It won't be as durable. You'll have a hard time finding someone to fire your work for you without being a part of their system. There are way too many potential problems with firing pottery for people who aren't educated in the process. Personally, I will only fire for my students. Yes, you can absolutely buy good functional dinnerware from a potter, but you will only get to dictate the look of it to a certain degree, like pick from a few glazes and forms. If you really want something specific, and want to be a part of the process, take a pottery class. In the Pacific Northwest there are a lot of places to do it.

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the sea urchin shell mold is one that is available in the US.  i saw that very thing in a local Paint Your Own Pottery shop up the road last week.  of course, it is done in cone 06 earthenware clay.  since you insist on porcelain, you might not want that at all but it is only a salt and pepper set.    i would think there is very little "danger" in having that in your RV.

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If you go in Seattle to Seattle Pottery Supply, they have a selection of bisque-fired white but not porcelain ware similar to what paint-your-own places offer.

You can paint them at home, using glazes you can also get at SPS, and bring them back for firing, provided they know the glazes you have used are suitable for the object.

Alternatively, if it must be porcelain,  you can buy a bag of porcelain clay there for maybe 12 dollars for 20 pounds. You can also buy one of their bisque plates to use as a mold. At home roll out some porcelain with a rolling pin like you were rolling out cookie dough. Place your plate upside down on it and cut around. Flip the whole thing over and let it sit overnight or longer. until it can come up out of the plate without sticking or losing its shape.

This might work for your lunch plates.

 

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Newbie, I agree with all here.  If you want to be part of the process without taking classes, find a Paint your own Pottery studio.  It would not be porcelain, but you would be able to find white bodied pieces.  It would not be high or mid fire, but you can find many lovely colors in the low fire glazes.  However, with that being said, from the questions you were asking, I think you might enjoy (become addicted) to clay like the rest of us here!!  So a 6 week intro to pottery class might be a consideration!  Good luck.

 

Roberta

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newbie 18,  you can get some porcelain as gabby suggested and use Chinet brand paper luncheon plates to form the porcelain into plates.   our member, pugaboo tells how to do that.  you can use the "search" function  on this forum to find out how.

it would be nice to hear the results from you.

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There are white cone 6 stoneware blanks to be had but they are limited in shape. Learning to glaze is a large challenge so be prepared to waste quite a bit of blanks on the learning process.

If you are liking the sea theme pottery maybe look for some florida or shore side potters that already make something similar to what you want and order something from them. I have seen many fellow florida potters working in the theme and style you seem to be wanting.

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