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Hi Everyone! I need your help please? I bought some stuff from a woman that had to quit doing pottery due to health issues. I got all of her glaze materials for $200, her Giffon Grip for $100 and all of the Mayco Stroke & Coats listed for $50. Basically everything below cost me $350. Not sure if I got a good deal or not.

 

I went through and inventoried everything and have listed what she had written on each container below and the approximate weight in each container. Some of her writing was really hard to read so I am hoping I got the names correct. I'm not sure what some of the stuff is or even if there are any duplicates? If you wouldn't mind reading through and letting me know 1) if it was a good deal and 2) what it's used for?

 

Griffin Grip see the attached photo ... are all the pieces here? Never seen one much less used one to know.

 

Glaze Chemicals:

The large amounts came in 58 quart sterilite plastic containers. The smaller amounts came in various plastic tubs, bowls, jars, bags, etc.

Silica 40-50lbs

Om4. 40-50lbs

EPK 50lbs

Neph sy 20lbs

Gerstley Borate 30lbs

Frit 3124 5lbs

Minspar 200. 5lbs

Zircopax 5lbs

Custer Feldspar 10lbs

GA China Clay 10lbs

K4 Kona Soade Feldspar. 10lbs

Feldspar G-200 Potash 5lbs

Calcium carbonate 5lbs

Spodimeme 10lbs

Zinc oxide 10lbs

Frit 3110 10lbs

Rodart. 3lbs

Bone ash 4lbs

Cornwall stone 11lbs

Barium carbonate 4lbs

Gillespie borate4 4lbs

Old hickory clay 4lbs

R10 bright bluff 4lbs

Volcanic ash 4lbs

Wollanstonite 5lbs

Soda Ash 10lbs

Texas talc 6lbs

Frit 3134 8lbs

Strontium carb 2lbs

Frit 3269 2lbs

Frit 3269 p-25 1lbs

Frit 3195 3lbs

Dolomite 3lbs

Bentonite 1lbs

Lithium carbonate 1lb

Green chrome oxide. 1lb

Rutile 1lb

Red copper oxide 1lb

Copper carbonate 2lb

Red iron oxide 1lb

Ochre 1lb

Illmenite gran 1lb

Crocus Martin 1lb

Tin oxide 1lb

Iron oxide yellow 1lb

Black iron oxide (davens ceramics) 1lb

Black iron oxide (highwatermclay) 1lb

Black 6600 1/4lb

Spanish red iron oxide 1lb

Manganese #80/100 1lb

Cobalt oxide 2oz

Cobalt carb 8 oz

Chartreuse 6236 bag 1/4lb

Chartreuse 6236? Jar 1/4lb

Xx saggar 5lbs

Raw umber 1lb

6100 Woodland brown 1/4lb

2032 Bermuda 1/4lb

1361 turquoise blue 1/4lb

C&c ball clay 10lbs

Feldspar Custer 200L (potash) 10lbs

Cmc powdered gum 1lb

Sodium silicate 1 pint

Porcelain slip 1gallon

 

Book: Studio Ceramic Dictionary By John W Conrad

 

Mayco Stroke & Coat 8oz bottles:

SC15 -Tuxedo

SC-16 cotton Tail

SC-20 Birthday Suit

SC-22 Carrot Top

SC-22 Carrot Top

SC-24 Dandelion

SC-25 Crackerjack Brown

SC-27 Sour Apple

SC-28 Blue Isle

SC-31 The Blues

SC-33 Fruit of the Vine

SC-46 Rawhide

SC-51 Poo Bear

SC-52 Toad-ily Green

SC-73 Candy Apple Red

SC-78 Lime Light

SC-79 It's Sage

SC-85 Orkid

SC-86 Old Lace

SC-88 Tu Tu Tango

SC-89 Cutie Pie Coral

SC-93 Honeydew List

SC-94 Curry Around

 

Spectrum RaisedAccent RAC 3 Black

 

She also threw in some measuring cups, wareboards, small tools, etc. basically she walked through her studio and scooped up stuff and said you can have this and this and that and this and dumped all that in a box. I haven't gone through this box of random stuff entirely yet. Oh and keep in mind everything I get I normally have to pay shipping on as well.

 

Thank you for your help!

 

Terry

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Stupid spellcheck, I honestly don't understand why it insists on changing words that I change 4 times grrrr. Hopefully I got them all this time and yes please do not eat the fruit 3134s!

 

T

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HOORAY FOR TERRY!   :)   no going back now, you are at the edge of the rabbit hole.  careful, do not fall in too deep. :o

 

the giffin grip is a newer one so you got a deal on that.  the amounts of ingredients are less than ideal but you haven't yet decided which glaze recipe to use so it is good to have all that variety.  to have them all at home and not have to go out to shop is worth a lot. when you are ready to set up the giffin grip, not geffen or griffon or whatever spellcheck says, call me.

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I think you did very well and have a great inventory for mixing glazes. Most of the chemicals are for glazes. Granular Illmenite is used to speckle clay. I posted a few of the chemical values. The impressive ones are the colorants like cobalt, copper  and chrome, which have gone up in price over the years. The mayco Underglazes can run $16/8 oz bottle. x 23 = $368   The frits are glaze ingredients or you can mix 3134 with the stains for overgrazing majolica.

You will need a scale for mixing glazes.Get Conrad's book for glaze recipes.Or Michael Bailey's ^6 glazes or mastering Cone 6 Glazes. You have a newer model of a Griffin grip.Looks like everything is there.

 

 

Griffin Grip see the attached photo ... are all the pieces here? Never seen one much less used one to know.

Glaze Chemicals:
The large amounts came in 58 quart sterilite plastic containers. The smaller amounts came in various plastic tubs, bowls, jars, bags, etc.
Silica 40-50lbs              $15          clay or glaze ingredient

Om4. 40-50lbs              $12           ball clay is a glaze ingredient or you could make terra sig 
EPK 50lbs                                      clay or glaze ingredient
Neph sy 20lbs                                glaze ingredient
Gerstley Borate 30lbs
Fruit 3124 5lbs   Ferro Frit  3124    $10
Minspar 200. 5lbs
Zircopax 5lbs
Custer Feldspar 10lbs
GA China Clay 10lbs
K4 Kona Soade Feldspar. 10lbs
Feldspar G-200 Potash 5lbs
Calcium carbonate 5lbs
Spodimeme 10lbs
Zinc oxide 10lbs                 $37
Frit 3110 10lbs                       5
Rodart. 3lbs (redart)
Bone ash 4lbs
Cornwall stone 11lbs           20.00
Barium carbonate 4lbs        16.00

Gillespie borate4 4lbs
Old hickory clay 4lbs
R10 bright bluff 4lbs
Volcanic ash 4lbs
Wollanstonite 5lbs             12.50
Soda Ash 10lbs                 9.50
Texas talc 6lbs
Frit 3134 8lbs                                    16
Strontium carb 2lbs
Frit 3269 2lbs     $ 2.50/lb                   5

Frit 3269 p-25 1lbs                            2.50
Frit 3195 3lbs                                    $6.00
Dolomite 3lbs                                    $7.50
Bentonite 1lbs                                    2.50
Lithium carbonate 1lb                            $22.
Green chrome oxide. 1lb                     15.00
Rutile 1lb                                               4.25
Red copper oxide 1lb                            24.00

Copper carbonate 2lb                             21.25
Red iron oxide 1lb                                
Ochre 1lb                                                       .85
Illmenite gran 1lb                                   2.50
Crocus Martin 1lb                                  4.20
Tin oxide 1lb                                              25.00
Iron oxide yellow 1lb
Black iron oxide (davens ceramics) 1lb     $6.72

Black iron oxide (highwatermclay) 1lb         6.72
Black 6600 1/4lb
Spanish red iron oxide 1lb                           2.75
Manganese #80/100 1lb                              2.50
Cobalt oxide 2oz                                          6.75
Cobalt carb 8 oz                                        20.00
Chartreuse 6236 bag 1/4lb                          8.25
Chartreuse 6236? Jar 1/4lb                         8.25
Xx saggar 5lbs   2.50/lb                             12.50
Raw umber 1lb
6100 Woodland brown 1/4lb                        5.

2032 Bermuda 1/4lb
1361 turquoise blue 1/4lb
C&c ball clay 10lbs
Feldspar Custer 200L (potash) 10lbs   $15 

Cmc powdered gum 1lb
Sodium silicate 1 pint
Porcelain slip 1gallon

Book: Studio Ceramic Dictionary By John W Conrad

Mayco Stroke & Coat 8oz bottles:
SC15 -Tuxedo
SC-16 cotton Tail
SC-20 Birthday Suit
SC-22 Carrot Top
SC-22 Carrot Top
SC-24 Dandelion
SC-25 Crackerjack Brown
SC-27 Sour Apple
SC-28 Blue Isle
SC-31 The Blues
SC-33 Fruit of the Vine
SC-46 Rawhide
SC-51 Poo Bear
SC-52 Toad-ily Green
SC-73 Candy Apple Red
SC-78 Lime Light
SC-79 It's Sage
SC-85 Orkid
SC-86 Old Lace
SC-88 Tu Tu Tango
SC-89 Cutie Pie Coral
SC-93 Honeydew List
SC-94 Curry Around

Spectrum RaisedAccent RAC 3 Black 

She also threw in some measuring cups, wareboards, small tools, etc. basically she walked through her studio and scooped up stuff and said you can have this and this and that and this and dumped all that in a box. I haven't gone through this box of random stuff entirely yet. Oh and keep in mind everything I get I normally have to pay shipping on as well.

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Geez Terry, you hit the jackpot!!  Nice deal and the woman hopefully knows all of her inventory is going to someone who will use it well.  Like Marcia said, get a scale and a sieve!  You will have soooo much fun mixing glaze!  Do you midfire?

 

Roberta

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A Giffin Grip new is $219 and with all those Mayco glazes alone, yes, you got a really good deal. :) And I'm sure she's happy to see them go to someone who will use them.

I had a similar experience when I bought my kiln. The lady gave me an additional kiln and threw in probably $1,000 worth of studio equipment, kiln furniture and slipcasting molds. All for $400 plus $75 in gas. I divvied everything up with my dad and we both walked away pretty happy. 

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Wow Marcia thanks for some of the prices you included! Feel better now, when I walked into her garage I had no idea exactly what she had and even after she started dragging out bins of stuff while saying this is that and that is this etc I had no idea as to the cost of buying said materials elsewhere. Then she plunks a box on the table and says this is a Giffen Grip and named a price for it, I did know a new one was around $200, since I had it on my wish list for the future after reading about it here on the forum, but had no idea if hers was complete or not. The Stroke and Coats I knew were a good deal as I have some small bottle already and have been experimenting with them to see what they can do.

 

I have some very basic glaze mixing materials already, I've mostly mixed up a lovely white I got from oldlady along with a few test batches of some other glazes. So a gram scale and a sieve are already here. I jumped at the chance to get her stuff because it was a quick way to expand my glaze materials without spending a fortune on shipping. I realize some of it may never get used but at least now when I see a glaze recipe I want to try I'll have a better chance of having at least small amounts of what is needed to mix up a test batch.

 

Roberta, I fire to cone 6 and I use Little Loafers clay.

 

 

Everyone,

I do have a few questions:

 

Are the Custer Feldspar and the Feldspar Custer 200L (potash) the same thing? The first was in a tub wth it written in marker on the side the and the second is in a sealed up bag and that's what the label says.

 

Is there any listed that I should never use or that is more dangerous than the usual? I know to wear a mask and not create dust but are there any rubber glove or heavier protective materials needed to handle any of the stuff listed? I am looking up as many as I can but maybe you guys can give me a heads up as I work my way through the list.

 

 

Thanks again everyone!

T

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I think both Custer spars are the same. It is a pot ash spar.

The most dangerous chemicals in the group are Barium, Chrome and Manganese.

Use caution with all chemical dust. For these read up and know how to use them safely. 

 

Marcia

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I wear gloves most of the time when I am mixing and spraying.  Often my hands have a cut or are rough.  Glazing is particularly hard on my skin.  I don't think it is necessary but it does give my hands a measure of protection.  That would be a recommendation.

 

r.

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Is there any listed that I should never use or that is more dangerous than the usual?

 

Part of the educational development in learning about the tech side of ceramics is learning about the safety aspects.  So....... go online and do a search for "MSDS" followed by each material name.  That will bring up the Materials Safety Data Sheet for the material.  Almost all, if not all, of the ones you have will be online somewhere.

 

Then read them.  And learn to read them.  And if there are things there that you do not understand (like maybe LD50), then search those terms also.  Eventually you'll be able to read an MSDS like a pro... and know a lot about exactly what you are working with.  Then you can start to separate the "pottery community hysteria" about some stuff from the reality.

 

Yes...... a lot of what we work with can be hazardous in various ways (same for all art media).  A few items have a "bad rap" in the clay community well above what they really should have in the way and volume in which we typically use them.  They sound like "death incarnate" ... when they simply deserve some educated respect.  A few that don't have bad raps should have them. 

 

The absolutely most dangerous stuff in the ceramics studio is CLAY DUST.  The thing that people tend to ignore other than saying "wet cleaning" (which is good).  The reason for this assessment........... the volume of material used in a day/week/month/year which can produce it....... the diverse non-localized sources all over the place...... and the difficulty of controlling it before it can reach the breathing zone.  No easy localized pickup ventilation.

 

Having an accurate education on this subject is pretty important for a lot of reasons.

 

best,

 

.................john

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+1 to the advice already given, and ++++ to "gloves".  I can play with clay without any problems, but with sensitive. dry skin, glazes and glazing materials seem to dry my hands even more.

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When I glaze I use tongs. I haven't done a lot of mixing but have been very careful about not getting anything in my skin and I always wear a respirator when dealing with anything dry in pottery. It's one of the things I stress in my classes and it's shocking how many have been taking classes for years and nobody told them about silica!

 

First thing I did as Pottery Studio a director was ban all sanding in the buildings. I got a box of the PROPER disposable masks and told them what to look for in a mask. I walked them through how doing small changes in how they work can mean they have no sanding to do. I also got the city to donate a picnic table and one of the board members donated a canopy so now if they simply must sand they do so outside under a shade wearing a mask. They have been told if they sand indoors they get a warning, then they lose their key and can only work when someone else is there until they can prove they are adults and understand how serious it is.

 

I will google the MSDS sheets John and begin educating myself more in depth on the materials, I don't believe in letting fear dictate but I do believe in educating myself, a healthy respect and understanding of the materials is a good thing.

 

T

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I will google the MSDS sheets John and begin educating myself more in depth on the materials, ......

 

I had forgotten you work (are employed) in an art center.  This gets into more detailed stuff there as opposed to your own studio..........

 

For the art center itself, legally THEY are supposed to have copies of these MSDSs in a readily available place so that any employee can access them easily at any time.  (There are NFPA regs on the glaze chemicals storage area also.)  They are also required to train employees relative to any hazards that they are potentially exposed to. (Right To Know Training). Add to that they need to perform real respirator training and fit testing to employees that need to wear them.   And also yearly medical monitoring of lung health for the silica exposure.  Yeah...... can-o-worms.

 

best,

 

................john

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Yep I figured there are different rules for private as opposed to public. Everything listed I bought for my own studio usage. The center doesn't do any dry mixing on the premises we have a local potter do some mixing for us and the rest is bought commercially from Coyote, Amaco, etc. I am going to get the recipes from the local potter so I can know what's in the glazes and she has agreed to provide them.

 

One of the things I am struggling with is making them understand about what is food safe, functionally not smart or just decorative use only. They have NO glossy white and have been using a Satin matte white on the interiors of mugs because..... get this... they heard that using white inside is safe.... no thought as to the surface requirements. So I have been explaining about matte, satin and glossy and why you don't use some inside or on functional pieces especially if they are to be used with food. They have a few other glazes that I have removed entirely, as the list I finally got from the previous director states they are not food safe.... but the containers are not marked as such. Such sloppiness is insane. I went through and listed all the glazes they have a gallon or more of and it's around 30, so there is plenty of room to remove the less than optimal glazes and still have plenty of choice.

 

I don't know everything and am the first to admit it. I research, come here, ask questions of lots of different people, on anything I don't know to educate myself. You all and this forum are a great resource of information and I really value that.

 

Thanks again for helping further my education.

 

T

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