Pugaboo Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi Everyone! I need your help please? I bought some stuff from a woman that had to quit doing pottery due to health issues. I got all of her glaze materials for $200, her Giffon Grip for $100 and all of the Mayco Stroke & Coats listed for $50. Basically everything below cost me $350. Not sure if I got a good deal or not. I went through and inventoried everything and have listed what she had written on each container below and the approximate weight in each container. Some of her writing was really hard to read so I am hoping I got the names correct. I'm not sure what some of the stuff is or even if there are any duplicates? If you wouldn't mind reading through and letting me know 1) if it was a good deal and 2) what it's used for? Griffin Grip see the attached photo ... are all the pieces here? Never seen one much less used one to know. Glaze Chemicals: The large amounts came in 58 quart sterilite plastic containers. The smaller amounts came in various plastic tubs, bowls, jars, bags, etc. Silica 40-50lbs Om4. 40-50lbs EPK 50lbs Neph sy 20lbs Gerstley Borate 30lbs Frit 3124 5lbs Minspar 200. 5lbs Zircopax 5lbs Custer Feldspar 10lbs GA China Clay 10lbs K4 Kona Soade Feldspar. 10lbs Feldspar G-200 Potash 5lbs Calcium carbonate 5lbs Spodimeme 10lbs Zinc oxide 10lbs Frit 3110 10lbs Rodart. 3lbs Bone ash 4lbs Cornwall stone 11lbs Barium carbonate 4lbs Gillespie borate4 4lbs Old hickory clay 4lbs R10 bright bluff 4lbs Volcanic ash 4lbs Wollanstonite 5lbs Soda Ash 10lbs Texas talc 6lbs Frit 3134 8lbs Strontium carb 2lbs Frit 3269 2lbs Frit 3269 p-25 1lbs Frit 3195 3lbs Dolomite 3lbs Bentonite 1lbs Lithium carbonate 1lb Green chrome oxide. 1lb Rutile 1lb Red copper oxide 1lb Copper carbonate 2lb Red iron oxide 1lb Ochre 1lb Illmenite gran 1lb Crocus Martin 1lb Tin oxide 1lb Iron oxide yellow 1lb Black iron oxide (davens ceramics) 1lb Black iron oxide (highwatermclay) 1lb Black 6600 1/4lb Spanish red iron oxide 1lb Manganese #80/100 1lb Cobalt oxide 2oz Cobalt carb 8 oz Chartreuse 6236 bag 1/4lb Chartreuse 6236? Jar 1/4lb Xx saggar 5lbs Raw umber 1lb 6100 Woodland brown 1/4lb 2032 Bermuda 1/4lb 1361 turquoise blue 1/4lb C&c ball clay 10lbs Feldspar Custer 200L (potash) 10lbs Cmc powdered gum 1lb Sodium silicate 1 pint Porcelain slip 1gallon Book: Studio Ceramic Dictionary By John W Conrad Mayco Stroke & Coat 8oz bottles: SC15 -Tuxedo SC-16 cotton Tail SC-20 Birthday Suit SC-22 Carrot Top SC-22 Carrot Top SC-24 Dandelion SC-25 Crackerjack Brown SC-27 Sour Apple SC-28 Blue Isle SC-31 The Blues SC-33 Fruit of the Vine SC-46 Rawhide SC-51 Poo Bear SC-52 Toad-ily Green SC-73 Candy Apple Red SC-78 Lime Light SC-79 It's Sage SC-85 Orkid SC-86 Old Lace SC-88 Tu Tu Tango SC-89 Cutie Pie Coral SC-93 Honeydew List SC-94 Curry Around Spectrum RaisedAccent RAC 3 Black She also threw in some measuring cups, wareboards, small tools, etc. basically she walked through her studio and scooped up stuff and said you can have this and this and that and this and dumped all that in a box. I haven't gone through this box of random stuff entirely yet. Oh and keep in mind everything I get I normally have to pay shipping on as well. Thank you for your help! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 don't eat the fruit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugaboo Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Stupid spellcheck, I honestly don't understand why it insists on changing words that I change 4 times grrrr. Hopefully I got them all this time and yes please do not eat the fruit 3134s! T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 HOORAY FOR TERRY! no going back now, you are at the edge of the rabbit hole. careful, do not fall in too deep. the giffin grip is a newer one so you got a deal on that. the amounts of ingredients are less than ideal but you haven't yet decided which glaze recipe to use so it is good to have all that variety. to have them all at home and not have to go out to shop is worth a lot. when you are ready to set up the giffin grip, not geffen or griffon or whatever spellcheck says, call me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I think you did very well and have a great inventory for mixing glazes. Most of the chemicals are for glazes. Granular Illmenite is used to speckle clay. I posted a few of the chemical values. The impressive ones are the colorants like cobalt, copper and chrome, which have gone up in price over the years. The mayco Underglazes can run $16/8 oz bottle. x 23 = $368 The frits are glaze ingredients or you can mix 3134 with the stains for overgrazing majolica. You will need a scale for mixing glazes.Get Conrad's book for glaze recipes.Or Michael Bailey's ^6 glazes or mastering Cone 6 Glazes. You have a newer model of a Griffin grip.Looks like everything is there. Griffin Grip see the attached photo ... are all the pieces here? Never seen one much less used one to know. Glaze Chemicals:The large amounts came in 58 quart sterilite plastic containers. The smaller amounts came in various plastic tubs, bowls, jars, bags, etc.Silica 40-50lbs $15 clay or glaze ingredient Om4. 40-50lbs $12 ball clay is a glaze ingredient or you could make terra sig EPK 50lbs clay or glaze ingredientNeph sy 20lbs glaze ingredientGerstley Borate 30lbsFruit 3124 5lbs Ferro Frit 3124 $10Minspar 200. 5lbsZircopax 5lbsCuster Feldspar 10lbsGA China Clay 10lbsK4 Kona Soade Feldspar. 10lbsFeldspar G-200 Potash 5lbsCalcium carbonate 5lbsSpodimeme 10lbsZinc oxide 10lbs $37Frit 3110 10lbs 5Rodart. 3lbs (redart)Bone ash 4lbsCornwall stone 11lbs 20.00Barium carbonate 4lbs 16.00 Gillespie borate4 4lbsOld hickory clay 4lbsR10 bright bluff 4lbsVolcanic ash 4lbsWollanstonite 5lbs 12.50Soda Ash 10lbs 9.50Texas talc 6lbsFrit 3134 8lbs 16Strontium carb 2lbsFrit 3269 2lbs $ 2.50/lb 5 Frit 3269 p-25 1lbs 2.50Frit 3195 3lbs $6.00Dolomite 3lbs $7.50Bentonite 1lbs 2.50Lithium carbonate 1lb $22.Green chrome oxide. 1lb 15.00Rutile 1lb 4.25Red copper oxide 1lb 24.00 Copper carbonate 2lb 21.25Red iron oxide 1lb Ochre 1lb .85Illmenite gran 1lb 2.50Crocus Martin 1lb 4.20Tin oxide 1lb 25.00Iron oxide yellow 1lbBlack iron oxide (davens ceramics) 1lb $6.72 Black iron oxide (highwatermclay) 1lb 6.72Black 6600 1/4lbSpanish red iron oxide 1lb 2.75Manganese #80/100 1lb 2.50Cobalt oxide 2oz 6.75Cobalt carb 8 oz 20.00Chartreuse 6236 bag 1/4lb 8.25Chartreuse 6236? Jar 1/4lb 8.25Xx saggar 5lbs 2.50/lb 12.50Raw umber 1lb6100 Woodland brown 1/4lb 5. 2032 Bermuda 1/4lb1361 turquoise blue 1/4lbC&c ball clay 10lbsFeldspar Custer 200L (potash) 10lbs $15 Cmc powdered gum 1lbSodium silicate 1 pintPorcelain slip 1gallonBook: Studio Ceramic Dictionary By John W ConradMayco Stroke & Coat 8oz bottles:SC15 -Tuxedo SC-16 cotton Tail SC-20 Birthday Suit SC-22 Carrot Top SC-22 Carrot Top SC-24 Dandelion SC-25 Crackerjack Brown SC-27 Sour Apple SC-28 Blue Isle SC-31 The Blues SC-33 Fruit of the Vine SC-46 Rawhide SC-51 Poo Bear SC-52 Toad-ily Green SC-73 Candy Apple Red SC-78 Lime Light SC-79 It's Sage SC-85 Orkid SC-86 Old Lace SC-88 Tu Tu Tango SC-89 Cutie Pie Coral SC-93 Honeydew List SC-94 Curry Around Spectrum RaisedAccent RAC 3 Black She also threw in some measuring cups, wareboards, small tools, etc. basically she walked through her studio and scooped up stuff and said you can have this and this and that and this and dumped all that in a box. I haven't gone through this box of random stuff entirely yet. Oh and keep in mind everything I get I normally have to pay shipping on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Yes you got a killer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What? Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 The Giffin Grip appears to be all there. There is a washer and rubber ring that holds it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta12 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Geez Terry, you hit the jackpot!! Nice deal and the woman hopefully knows all of her inventory is going to someone who will use it well. Like Marcia said, get a scale and a sieve! You will have soooo much fun mixing glaze! Do you midfire? Roberta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiselleNo5 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 A Giffin Grip new is $219 and with all those Mayco glazes alone, yes, you got a really good deal. And I'm sure she's happy to see them go to someone who will use them.I had a similar experience when I bought my kiln. The lady gave me an additional kiln and threw in probably $1,000 worth of studio equipment, kiln furniture and slipcasting molds. All for $400 plus $75 in gas. I divvied everything up with my dad and we both walked away pretty happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugaboo Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Wow Marcia thanks for some of the prices you included! Feel better now, when I walked into her garage I had no idea exactly what she had and even after she started dragging out bins of stuff while saying this is that and that is this etc I had no idea as to the cost of buying said materials elsewhere. Then she plunks a box on the table and says this is a Giffen Grip and named a price for it, I did know a new one was around $200, since I had it on my wish list for the future after reading about it here on the forum, but had no idea if hers was complete or not. The Stroke and Coats I knew were a good deal as I have some small bottle already and have been experimenting with them to see what they can do. I have some very basic glaze mixing materials already, I've mostly mixed up a lovely white I got from oldlady along with a few test batches of some other glazes. So a gram scale and a sieve are already here. I jumped at the chance to get her stuff because it was a quick way to expand my glaze materials without spending a fortune on shipping. I realize some of it may never get used but at least now when I see a glaze recipe I want to try I'll have a better chance of having at least small amounts of what is needed to mix up a test batch. Roberta, I fire to cone 6 and I use Little Loafers clay. Everyone, I do have a few questions: Are the Custer Feldspar and the Feldspar Custer 200L (potash) the same thing? The first was in a tub wth it written in marker on the side the and the second is in a sealed up bag and that's what the label says. Is there any listed that I should never use or that is more dangerous than the usual? I know to wear a mask and not create dust but are there any rubber glove or heavier protective materials needed to handle any of the stuff listed? I am looking up as many as I can but maybe you guys can give me a heads up as I work my way through the list. Thanks again everyone! T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Barium carb. You wanna read up on very carefully. Some potters don't let it into their studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I think both Custer spars are the same. It is a pot ash spar. The most dangerous chemicals in the group are Barium, Chrome and Manganese. Use caution with all chemical dust. For these read up and know how to use them safely. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta12 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I wear gloves most of the time when I am mixing and spraying. Often my hands have a cut or are rough. Glazing is particularly hard on my skin. I don't think it is necessary but it does give my hands a measure of protection. That would be a recommendation. r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 terry, i think the calcium carb is usually known as whiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JBaymore Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Is there any listed that I should never use or that is more dangerous than the usual? Part of the educational development in learning about the tech side of ceramics is learning about the safety aspects. So....... go online and do a search for "MSDS" followed by each material name. That will bring up the Materials Safety Data Sheet for the material. Almost all, if not all, of the ones you have will be online somewhere. Then read them. And learn to read them. And if there are things there that you do not understand (like maybe LD50), then search those terms also. Eventually you'll be able to read an MSDS like a pro... and know a lot about exactly what you are working with. Then you can start to separate the "pottery community hysteria" about some stuff from the reality. Yes...... a lot of what we work with can be hazardous in various ways (same for all art media). A few items have a "bad rap" in the clay community well above what they really should have in the way and volume in which we typically use them. They sound like "death incarnate" ... when they simply deserve some educated respect. A few that don't have bad raps should have them. The absolutely most dangerous stuff in the ceramics studio is CLAY DUST. The thing that people tend to ignore other than saying "wet cleaning" (which is good). The reason for this assessment........... the volume of material used in a day/week/month/year which can produce it....... the diverse non-localized sources all over the place...... and the difficulty of controlling it before it can reach the breathing zone. No easy localized pickup ventilation. Having an accurate education on this subject is pretty important for a lot of reasons. best, .................john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayjay Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Rodart is probably Redart: likewise, Crocus Martin = Crocus Martis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 +1 to the advice already given, and ++++ to "gloves". I can play with clay without any problems, but with sensitive. dry skin, glazes and glazing materials seem to dry my hands even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugaboo Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 When I glaze I use tongs. I haven't done a lot of mixing but have been very careful about not getting anything in my skin and I always wear a respirator when dealing with anything dry in pottery. It's one of the things I stress in my classes and it's shocking how many have been taking classes for years and nobody told them about silica! First thing I did as Pottery Studio a director was ban all sanding in the buildings. I got a box of the PROPER disposable masks and told them what to look for in a mask. I walked them through how doing small changes in how they work can mean they have no sanding to do. I also got the city to donate a picnic table and one of the board members donated a canopy so now if they simply must sand they do so outside under a shade wearing a mask. They have been told if they sand indoors they get a warning, then they lose their key and can only work when someone else is there until they can prove they are adults and understand how serious it is. I will google the MSDS sheets John and begin educating myself more in depth on the materials, I don't believe in letting fear dictate but I do believe in educating myself, a healthy respect and understanding of the materials is a good thing. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JBaymore Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I will google the MSDS sheets John and begin educating myself more in depth on the materials, ...... I had forgotten you work (are employed) in an art center. This gets into more detailed stuff there as opposed to your own studio.......... For the art center itself, legally THEY are supposed to have copies of these MSDSs in a readily available place so that any employee can access them easily at any time. (There are NFPA regs on the glaze chemicals storage area also.) They are also required to train employees relative to any hazards that they are potentially exposed to. (Right To Know Training). Add to that they need to perform real respirator training and fit testing to employees that need to wear them. And also yearly medical monitoring of lung health for the silica exposure. Yeah...... can-o-worms. best, ................john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugaboo Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Yep I figured there are different rules for private as opposed to public. Everything listed I bought for my own studio usage. The center doesn't do any dry mixing on the premises we have a local potter do some mixing for us and the rest is bought commercially from Coyote, Amaco, etc. I am going to get the recipes from the local potter so I can know what's in the glazes and she has agreed to provide them. One of the things I am struggling with is making them understand about what is food safe, functionally not smart or just decorative use only. They have NO glossy white and have been using a Satin matte white on the interiors of mugs because..... get this... they heard that using white inside is safe.... no thought as to the surface requirements. So I have been explaining about matte, satin and glossy and why you don't use some inside or on functional pieces especially if they are to be used with food. They have a few other glazes that I have removed entirely, as the list I finally got from the previous director states they are not food safe.... but the containers are not marked as such. Such sloppiness is insane. I went through and listed all the glazes they have a gallon or more of and it's around 30, so there is plenty of room to remove the less than optimal glazes and still have plenty of choice. I don't know everything and am the first to admit it. I research, come here, ask questions of lots of different people, on anything I don't know to educate myself. You all and this forum are a great resource of information and I really value that. Thanks again for helping further my education. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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