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Hi all,

I am a super new potter and have been throwing for about 8 months after taking some classes. Recently I just can’t seem to get my clay centered. I have done it many times before, but in the last few weeks I’m finding that it’s off centre in either the very base of my clay ball, or right in the middle. Often it will feel centered and it isn’t until I start to push down in the middle before openening up that I can feel there is a little twist in the middle. Sometimes I can push all the way down before I find the twist, but it always seems to be there. Perhaps I am trapping air when I’m coning up?
 

I just can’t seem to work out what I am doing wrong and feel like I have read every post and watched every video. Any advice would be very much appreciated

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yes, i know, i went through this same thing when i stopped throwing for a long time.  everything i did once i started back came out with a hollow spot on the bottom where the air was trapped.  it might help to do something else for awhile just to get over the frustration.    coming back later when it does not seem so urgent might make you relaxed enough to do i well.

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21 hours ago, neilestrick said:

Make sure when you're coning that the bottom of the ball- the part right against the wheel head- is getting narrower as you cone up. The diameter down there should reduce by almost half. If not, that area is not getting mixed and won't center properly.

I think I am getting it, the bottom is definitely getting narrower as I’m coning up. I have noticed that the top of my cone is always quite wobbly, I’m not sure if that could be the issue? 

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13 minutes ago, Jessicak said:

I think I am getting it, the bottom is definitely getting narrower as I’m coning up. I have noticed that the top of my cone is always quite wobbly, I’m not sure if that could be the issue? 

You don't have to cone it super narrow. If it's tippy then it's probably too narrow. Also, as you bring it back down, make sure you're not chasing a mushroom all the way down. Don't let it mushroom out or when you get to the bottom it's going to overlap and trap some slurry in the mix, which will keep it from centering up properly.

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Has your clay been sitting around for a while?

I've found that if the clay is older, it requires more wedging to evenly distribute the moisture level even if it's coming straight out of the bag.  
Without doing that, some spots are drier than others and that will throw off a seemingly-centered pull. 

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19 minutes ago, kristinanoel said:

Has your clay been sitting around for a while?

I've found that if the clay is older, it requires more wedging to evenly distribute the moisture level even if it's coming straight out of the bag.  
Without doing that, some spots are drier than others and that will throw off a seemingly-centered pull. 

Nope, it’s a brand new bag. I get the same issue when I use different types of clay too, and I am making sure to wedge them thoroughly 

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1 hour ago, neilestrick said:

You don't have to cone it super narrow. If it's tippy then it's probably too narrow. Also, as you bring it back down, make sure you're not chasing a mushroom all the way down. Don't let it mushroom out or when you get to the bottom it's going to overlap and trap some slurry in the mix, which will keep it from centering up properly.

It’s not so much tippy, more just very off centre right at the top which leads me to believe the issue is something to do with how I’m coning up and pushing down. It’s not mushrooming either, I make sure my pushes down are nice and even. I’m at quite a loss! 

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5 minutes ago, Jessicak said:

It’s not so much tippy, more just very off centre right at the top which leads me to believe the issue is something to do with how I’m coning up and pushing down. It’s not mushrooming either, I make sure my pushes down are nice and even. I’m at quite a loss! 

Try wedging your clay first and then not coning at all if you're having issues with your coning.  Coning is not a requirement for centering, it's just one way of accomplishing a goal.

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On 8/11/2020 at 8:43 PM, liambesaw said:

Try wedging your clay first and then not coning at all if you're having issues with your coning.  Coning is not a requirement for centering, it's just one way of accomplishing a goal.

I’ve been trying another technique that has worked for me in the past, I can’t find where I read it though. You apply consistent pressure with both your left hand pushing against these side to centre and your right pushing down. Then when it feels mostly centred, maintain the pressure and use the fingers on your left hand to smooth any irregularities. 
 

Tried that a few times today, exactly the same thing. Clay feels centred until I push even the slightest bit into the middle to open up. Then I can tell it has a twist in it 

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Try softer clay for now.

Check basic points of anchoring body, arms hands etc

Hands always linked

always remove hands slowly  and together

Were posts here on coning down. .with good video.

Search that.

Practising infers you are practising correct methods so go back to basic and check yourself.

No point in practising bad technique.

V often, hmm, its the thrower not the clay, wheel etc etc so checkyself first:-))

 

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