neilestrick
-
Posts
12,446 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Gallery
Posts posted by neilestrick
-
-
2 hours ago, moonzie said:
It will have zone control yes. I've got a full size Genesis controller (the older one).
I might build a wall mount box. I might just put it where the kiln sitter used to be and use a case fan to circulate ambient air. Not sure yet! I suppose a wall mount would give me more modularity. It's big. ES1020-1 with the added ring on top.
I'd go wall mount. It'll be easier to work on and everything will stay cooler and last longer. The Duncan box will be a tight fit, and may not be deep enough for everything, plus you could use the wall mount on other kilns in the future. You'll still want a cooling fan in the wall mount, unless you have a large heat sink. A fan is much cheaper than a heat sink. The fan can connect to Output 4, or just run it in line with a power switch. Run mechanical relays in pairs with the SSRs, with the mechanicals being controlled by the Safety output on the controller and the SSRs run by the Outputs. Use very fast acting Type T fuses for each circuit. The SSR control for the Genesis can be turned on in the Factory Config menu, use code 443.
-
Any of the type K 8 gauge thermocouples will work fine, whether L&L, Skutt, etc.
Are you building a wall mount box? Are you setting it up with zone control?
-
@cholmes If both elements in one ring are not working then it's usually a bad relay. Are you sure it's wired correctly? Was it working before but now it's not, or is this the first try since replacing the elements and relays?
-
@Sinead Pollard How thick is the piece? If you post some pictures that will help diagnose the cause.
-
@mxdsaIt's not simple to fully convert a manual kiln to a digital system because the control box on the manual kiln isn't made to house the digital kiln parts. There's no insulating baffle, and the box isn't necessarily deep enough to house the parts needed. You can't just replace the Sitter with a digital controller- there are other parts needed (a transformer and at least one relay- usually two or more). The easiest solution is to buy or build a small control box that houses all the parts and hangs on the wall next to the kiln. The kiln plugs into the control box, and the control box plugs into the outlet on the wall. You use the Sitter as a backup safety device by putting a cone in the Sitter that's one cone hotter than the intended peak temp, then push the power button on the Sitter and turn the switches to 'high'. Then you start the digital controller and it cycles the power to the kiln to control the rate of climb.
Here's a picture of a control box I built and installed for a customer last week. It has a Genesis Mini controller, which is perfect for this type of setup since it only uses one thermocouple. The power cord comes out the bottom, the kiln plugs in on the left. Inside is a 50 amp relay, and pilot relay, a transformer, and all the wiring to make it work. It's not simple if you've never dealt with wiring before, but the good news is that you can buy a complete box just like this, although it'll cost you more than $1000 with a touch screen controller. This box is hooked up to a Duncan kiln, which has an early generation analog automatic system that I had to disconnect in order to work with the digital controller. That shouldn't be an issue with your Knight kiln, though, as I've never seen one with anything other than simple switches.
-
Change out the old power cord for the 6-50. Any power cord that old probably needs replacing anyway. Install a 6-50 receptacle, and make sure it's wired correctly- 2 hots and a ground. There is no neutral used.
- Pres and Bill Kielb
-
2
-
1 hour ago, MmThomp said:
Something that is reassuring, as well, in the photos, is that all of the elements are still seated in the grooves. As the elements and kiln ages, without proper maintenance, it’s possible for the elements to sag out of their placements. This usually won’t cause any issues, unless the element breaks, but it’s another helpful tip in determining kiln age/use/life-left.
I rarely look at elements when determining the condition of the kiln because they need to be replaced regularly anyway. If they need to be replaced immediately then that can be used to negotiate down the price, but an element can sag on its first firing if it's not seated properly, so you can't use that to determine age. Brick condition is really the key to determining the age and condition of a kiln. The more a kiln is fired, the more yellow and brittle the bricks become. And if they're all chipped up and you need to replace a bunch of them, that gets expensive pretty quickly, and can be very difficult to do in a lot of the older kilns. Lid and floor slabs are very expensive to replace, so those have to be in good condition.
-
14 hours ago, John Flores said:
I went ahead and ordered everything you told me to @neilestrick , received the items today in the mail but I noticed that the wires are not covered in the flame retardant sleeving. Is that going to be a problem?
Those are silicone covered, better than the old ones. Good to go.
-
-
My opinion is that the kiln should be in a space that makes it as enjoyable to use as possible. For me that means right there in the studio so I don't have to carry pots through the house. Wheeled carts are sketchy, it only takes a very small bump to knock everything over. As for space in the studio, make a rolling table that fits over the kiln so you can use that space when not in use. I want to be able to fire whenever I need to, but on the balcony you'll need a 48 hour window of good weather for firing and cooling. So that could be an issue if you're ever on a time crunch getting ready for a show. It's a really nice space, why clutter it up with a kiln and a pile of shelves and posts if you don't have to?
A downdraft vent will greatly reduce corrosion of the kiln, so even if you put it on the balcony you should use the vent. There are shops online that make custom grill covers to any dimensions, so that's an option for a cover.
-
Most of the fast-fire kilns do not produce much ash, so if you're looking to use glazes then those are a good option. There are cross-draft designs that will produce a lot of ash in a 12-14 hour firing with about 3 pickup loads of wood. Any tube-type kiln will need a very long firing, like 2+ days, up to a week or more if it's large. It all depends on what you're trying to achieve with your work. Wood burning kiln designs tend to be quite specific in what surface effects they will produce. You can't get Anagama looking pots from a fast fire, and vice versa.
-
First, I would start working at cone 6. Your elements aren't going to last vey long, and the total lifespan of the kiln will be greatly shortened, by firing to cone 10. Also, you'll have a much easier time holding/soaking/slow cooling if you're working at cone 6, because at cone 10 you won't be able to hold well with manual switches. At cone 10, as soon as you turn a switch to medium it's going to drop in temperature a lot, and then you'll have to turn it back on, and then off, and then on, over and over and you still won't maintain temperature very well. At cone 6, going to medium won't have as big an impact and you'll have a lot more control. That said, holding temp is a lot more difficult than just slowing down the cooling.
Soaking shouldn't be necessary in most cases. It's usually only needed if there's a specific glaze problem that can be fixed with a soak.
-
You'll need to wash the mold to get rid of the soap.
-
1 hour ago, shrubsky said:
Sounds like I should be deliberate in how I ask the question of the County, lest they jump straight to the worst possible answer.
Be totally honest with them about everything. You don't want to go to all the cost and trouble of building a kiln only to have them shut you down. Chances are they won't have a clue what you're talking about, so you give them as much information as possible so they are able to make an honest assessment of the kiln. Otherwise they'll just say no.
-
9 minutes ago, shrubsky said:
I'll have to ask the County about any regulations on wood kilns. I hadn't considered that -- thanks for the tip. That might put the brakes on pretty quickly.
Some places consider it to be open burning, others just call it a big barbecue, others classify them as industrial equipment. Also be aware that there will be a certain amount of smoke created, even in an efficient kiln, so you could easily annoy the neighbors.
-
40 minutes ago, shrubsky said:
I'm not married to any particular style. My main criteria are that it be small enough that I can build it and fit it in my back yard, and that I can fire it in one long day. Cone 6 or 7 is enough for me. The option of doing salt or soda firing would be nice, but not strictly required. This one looks like a nice compact design https://youtu.be/6pdFWixTXiQ , but the only type I've seen personally was a large anagama that takes 48 hours to fire.
I'm not building anything yet, just doing research. I haven't yet found anyone nearby with a smallish wood kiln I can visit.
Have you confirmed with the local authorities that you can have a wood burning kiln in your back yard?
If you're looking to get the effects of wood firing that you typically see, then you'll need to fire to at least cone 9, because wood ash doesn't melt at cone 6. However, if you're not looking for the wood ash effects, and plan to fire with glazes, then a low-ash fast-fire type wood kiln might work for you. What are your goals with this kiln? We can help point you in the right direction if you tell us what you're hoping to achieve with your work.
-
My guess is it's some sort of mold. Not at all uncommon in French butter dishes.
-
I've made and sold several dozen lamps over the years. I use UL listed components, which some folks say is adequate from a liability standpoint, and others say is not sufficient- that the whole lamp has to be listed. I've got a couple of lamps here in my house (store bought) that are UL labeled on the socket itself, but not on the lamp base, which makes me think that the lamp itself is not listed, just the parts. As a small maker, you are unlikely to be able to afford to get your product listed, so I say either don't make lamps, or make them using listed components, and make sure you're building them to listing specs (UL153) so that there aren't any issues. One of the main things to do is to make sure that the cord cannot pull out of the lamp, either a clamp or you can just tie a knot in the cord inside the lamp. I really like the sockets and parts sold by Grand Brass Lamp Parts. High quality, well made, good prices, UL listed.
FYI, UL (Underwriter's Laboratories) is just one of several Nationally Recognized Testing Labs. All test to the same standards and carry the same value. From a legal standpoint, none are preferred over the others. UL just happens to be the best known.
I'm changing the name of the post to better reflect the topic.
-
Unless you
8 hours ago, B.H said:Fast forward to now, over the past week I have started experiencing a constant pain across my chest and a feeling of needing to breathe deeper than normal, I also have a bit of a cough- all symptoms/ feelings Iv never had before!
I think that unless you have a history of breathing issues (asthma, etc) then the small amount of dust you've inhaled in your home studio is unlikely to be the cause of the problem here. It's allergy season, so that would be my first guess (although I am not a doctor). Even if you don't have a history of seasonal allergies, it's not at all uncommon for them to pop up nowadays. Regardless, you definitely should not be sanding indoors or working with powders or dry clay in general. Clean up trimming and such while they're still leather hard, sponge down surfaces, and wet mop the floors. These basic cleaning methods will reduce the dust to a level that should not be an issue.
-
@John Flores happy to help! The new one is the the style they've been using for several years now. It's a type K jsut like the old one, and will work in any model. You'll have to drill out the hole to fit it. For a tight fit, make the hole just a hair too small using either a drill bit or a round file, then use the thermocouple itself to make it the perfect size. Just twist it into the hole. Work from both sides of the hole so you don't flake out the brick on the inside.
-
Hi @John Flores, welcome to the forum!
This happens when the wires get old, and those wires are old. They are white when they're new. Old wires can burn out a brand new relay very quickly.
1. Get a new terminal strip.
2. Assuming the feeder wires are connected to the elements with the standard Skutt crimp connectors: Cut off all the slip-on terminal connectors on the ends of the feeder wires that connect to the terminal strip, and put new connectors on them. No sense using corroded connectors on a new terminal strip. Replace the feeder wires next time you replace the elements. If the feeder wires are connected to the elements with removable connectors, then replace the feeder wires now. In the future, replace the slip-on terminals any time they show signs of overheating.
3. Replace the relay.
4. Get a new wiring harness (for inside the control box). It has all the wires going into and out of the relays and all the red control wires. I don't usually replace the control wires unless they really need it, but yours are looking fairly corroded so I'd replace them. Be really careful removing the wires from the transformer. Those connections are really delicate.
- John Flores, Piedmont Pottery and Hulk
-
3
-
One of the best things you can do is to go visit someone with the type of kiln you want to build. There are many types of wood burning kilns out there, and a lot of variation within each type, so being able to discuss those details with someone who actually fires the kiln be more beneficial than a book. Each type has its pros and cons and creates a certain look to the work. Anagama pots look different than crossdraft pots, and they have radically different firing schedules. It's a major investment of time and materials to build one, so you want to be sure to do it right.
What type of kiln are you thinking of building?
-
5 hours ago, Morgan Leigh said:
Where did you attach the manual - I don't see it but I'm new to the forum so might be missing something. I'm thinking about purchasing one and would like to look at the manual first.
I had to clear out some of my files and it looks like that's one that got wiped out. You can find all Duncan manuals HERE.
-
Yep, Cress 328J. They don't have any info on their website, though. No wiring diagrams. I found a couple of old online listings for it and they said it pulls 25amps. If that's true, it will need to be on a 35 or 40 amp breaker, and you'll need to install a new power cord and plug that can handle at least that much amperage. Call Cress and see if they can give you more info.
If you plan to glaze fire at cone 5/6, this is not a good kiln for you. Since it maxes out at cone 6 (according to the label), it will only get to that temp if the elements are in perfect condition, which is only about 30 firings.
Melted Relay
in Equipment Use and Repair
Posted
It will work, but put a washer on it that tightens up the hole. The screws are #10.