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#21 oldlady

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:59 PM

chantay, thanks for being the first to mention the FREE  library books puck could get.  I am usually the first to mention that to anyone looking for GOOD info.  the problem is that some of the best books on the subjects needed are OLD!  at least to you young'ns.  some of the stuff getting published today is ok if you already know your way around the mistakes that are in them, newbies don't.

 

puck, look for some of the older, textbook type editions of John Kenny, Glenn C. Nelson and others.  yes, there are tiny mentions of things like lead glazes but surely you are smart enough to learn around that.  the skinny books of today that talk only about one shape or style are good for experienced folks but once you have read a LOT of the thicker ones and found a clay that makes you happy, they will make more sense.

 

yes, utube has some good instruction.  it depends on who is doing the work.  (one I saw that was done by someone who had taken one lesson and was willing to share her enormous amount of knowledge was laughable.)  the trouble is that until you can recognize the good ones, you might just follow instructions over the edge of a cliff.  as you watch, ask yourself questions so you know why someone is doing what you see.  following blindly is dangerous.   experiment carefully and welcome to the wonderfully addicting world of those of us who LOVE clay.   


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#22 JBaymore

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:07 PM

 the trouble is that until you can recognize the good ones, you might just follow instructions over the edge of a cliff. 

 

Amen, and amen, and amen!

 

My pet peeve with the impact of the internet. Lots of information.... but not necessarily GOOD information.

 

This is why academic institutiions shun Wikipediia as a source for any serious research.  The "crowdsourcing" of information is not necessarily accurate at any point in time.

 

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#23 Benzine

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:10 AM

Whoa, whoa, whoa John!  Don't be bad mouthing internet sources.

 

"Wikipedia is a perfectly valid source of information"

 

Source- Wikipedia

 

 

Your move Mr. Baymore


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:52 PM

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#25 CarlCravens

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:12 PM

Wow, Abe Lincoln was the wisest.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 06:58 PM

Thank you for all the info and references. As for wiki.. Most colleges don't accept wiki because most of the info in there isn't accurate. Just something I was reading about the other day.

What do ceramic tiles and men have in common?
If you lay them right the first time, you can walk on them for life! :D 

 

 

 

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:05 PM

Blows my "credibility closely linked to source" right out of the water!

How are you gonna get those students who know not that the Internet wasn't around when Abe walked the Earth to ever work it out!

Any ideas Benzine?



#28 oldlady

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:43 PM

what about all the people who were kids and saw cartoons with cavemen and dinosaurs living together?  :)


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#29 PuckGoodfellow

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:04 AM

Do you guys realize that in one year Marty McFly should be showing up with his delorion (spelling?) Looking for his hoverboard and self lacing shoes? Forget cave men and dinosaurs. Where are our flying cars and floating houses throughout the solar system?

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If you lay them right the first time, you can walk on them for life! :D 

 

 

 

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:31 AM

Thank you for all the info and references. As for wiki.. Most colleges don't accept wiki because most of the info in there isn't accurate. Just something I was reading about the other day.

i taught 4th and 5th grade and I didn't accept Wiki!  Now that I teach math K-6 I accept any method a student can find or create to arrive at an answer.  



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:39 AM

To be fair, wikipedia is a great source if used properly. Notice the citations at the bottom of every article. There's resources like those, that can be extremely helpful for starting research. The message should be that wikipedia isn't the ultimate authority on everything, but can still be useful, IMO...

#32 John Hertzfeld

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

"To be fair, wikipedia is a great source if used properly."

Agreed. It is a great starting point for research. Using the references at the bottom of pages is a good way to stumble upon real sources for researching a topic. But as with any media (books included), you must be critical of whether the author is speaking from documented direct/empirical experience or out his arse.

#33 JBaymore

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 03:57 PM

Yup... called "primary sources".

 

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#34 oldlady

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:23 PM

recently published book about glaze color has a chart with temperatures.  someone mixed up the titles and Celsius is actually FAHRENHEIT.  probably researched online somewhere.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:28 PM

Great proof-reader. :rolleyes:

 

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:37 PM

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Blows my "credibility closely linked to source" right out of the water!
How are you gonna get those students who know not that the Internet wasn't around when Abe walked the Earth to ever work it out!
Any ideas Benzine?

The obvious answer is that John just proved that Abraham Lincoln is a Highlander.
"Anything worth believing, is worth questioning"

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:50 PM

On the topic of source reliability:

 

http://www.unshelved.com/2014-6-3

 

Just because you read it in a published book doesn't mean everyone agrees that the information is correct.  Books and Wikipedia are alike... use multiple sources, cross-examine your sources.

 

(Does anybody see the irony of a discussion on a forum full of advice from strangers, talking about how unreliable Wikipedia is?)


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#38 JBaymore

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

(Does anybody see the irony of a discussion on a forum full of advice from strangers, talking about how unreliable Wikipedia is?)

 

I don't see it as irony...... I made my comments as a deliberate point.  This foorum is no different than any other source.  As I constantly keep saying .... vet your sources.

 

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