Clay17 Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Hello all Has anybody worked with Kentucky Mudwork's White Bear in a ^6 firing? If so, what is your opinion? In the past I used Standard's 563, but since the formula change I find it's absorption rate of close to 3% unacceptable. I'm just about through with the 500# of Standard's 630 I ordered and while it's ok I'm not really happy with it's grey appearance and that my clear likes to craze on it. I prefer a more white clay. Forget their 240. Looking for any suggestions about any other white throwing clay too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 I didn't realize that the 563 is over 2%, as that is what is still listed on their website. As for the 630, I am still using it, but as to the grey appearance I have come to use a single dip of my white liner glaze and then work over that. I have a line of glazes that work very well on that and the 211. I have been buying from SC in Pittsburgh since 1975 when I started buying clay for the Altoona Area High school. best, Pres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay17 Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 @Pres I did my own absorption test on the 563 and it came close to 3% Isn't 211 a brown clay? My glazes move, and I like that. I use a liner glaze on the outside only when I want to stop my glazes from moving or reaching the the shelf. Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Yes the 211 is a brown clay, one of the reasons I like it. It works well with my white glaze with finger swipes and other options then I spray glazes over top. These move over the base glaze. best, Pres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay17 Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Pres said: Yes the 211 is a brown clay Pres, I'm asking about white clay. Pres 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Have you tried Standard 213? They call it a porcelain, but it's really not. It's basically a smooth white stoneware, similar to B-Mix. It throws and trims well, takes attachments well, and is quite white. Clay17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta12 Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 I have been using Kentucky Mudworks Kota. They call it a porcelain but it is the easiest throwing porcelain I have ever used. And it is more white than Laguna 16 (which I think is Miller 16 on the east coast) I have not used any of Kentucky Mudworks other clays but I am hearing great things about all of them. Roberta Clay17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay17 Posted December 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 7 hours ago, neilestrick said: Have you tried Standard 213? No I haven't, looks like a good option to try. Thanks. 5 hours ago, Roberta12 said: I have not used any of Kentucky Mudworks other clays but I am hearing great things about all of them. Me too. Thanks Roberta12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay17 Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) I'm still hoping that I can find someone that has used Kentucky Mudwork's White Bear or Iceman Edited December 5, 2023 by Clay17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn T Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 I don't use either of these clays, but if I have used Glazy to find other potters who use the clay I use. Just put "White Bear" in the activity search box in Glazy. I see that Joe Thompson has used it with Van Gilder Tenmoku (he tried it on several clays so use the arrows to find the White Bear photo) . Perhaps you can message him. You can use the same process for Iceman. Glazy link. Hope you find someone that is willing to correspond with you. Clay17 and Roberta12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Clarification on the Glazy post: the image of that glaze on White Bear clay isn’t Joe’s, it’s another contributor using that glaze. The accreditation is in the gallery. Her name is Michelle Smith. https://glazy.org/u/mlsmithsbcglobalnet/recipes C.Banks, Roberta12 and Marilyn T 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay17 Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 @Marilyn T Thanks Marilyn, that's a great idea! It's also nice to see how these clay bodies might work with different glazes Roberta12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_klay_studio Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) I know this thread is a bit old, but I had the same question. And ended up joining the Ky Mudworks Clay & Glaze Group on facebook. Typed in White Bear and Iceman in the search box and there are like 20 threads comparing the two with some really great opinions. Edited December 16, 2023 by jay_klay_studio Roberta12 and Callie Beller Diesel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) Highwater makes a wonderful white clay that is very easy to throw and trim and makes great slabwork that does not tear. it is a cone 6 white stoneware with no grog called Little Loafers. their cone 10 white stoneware is Loafer's Glory. have been using it for at least 10-12 years with no problems. check out my albums. disclaimer i throw very dry, smash my slabs on the floor at least 4 times, stretching the about one inch thick slices to about 3/8 inch thick before rolling with a 24 inch wide bailey slab roller. i roll it out to less than 1/4 inches, it is very strong and quick to dry i use a glaze recipe from Min that is transparent and easily stained to the color i want. thank you Min! that glaze is perfect for the newer work i am doing. Edited December 17, 2023 by oldlady add size of slab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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