Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Anybody ever hear or try this claybody and it companion glaze? https://insight-live.com/insight/share.php?z=rgfk1WcNKY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazenerd Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Frit ware body. The frit starts melting at 1450f +/-: which substitutes for the vitrification normally found in cone 6 and up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnolia Mud Research Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah; via a note in my inbox this morning from Tony Hanson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 I've held those samples. It's some pretty slick stuff! You'd never know it was cone 03. It looks and feels like translucent bone china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glazenerd Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sputty: The closest clay relatives to nz kaolin and v-gum would be grolleg and macaloid. If you have access to these, you would have a very close second. Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 If ^03 is the glaze firing, what would the bisque firing be, ^010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 I think ^010 is low. You'll have to see how it absorbs glaze at various cones for bisque. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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neilestrick Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 His example of a cone 10R porcelain is probably the worst example of porcelain I've ever seen. I've never used a porcelain that was that gray. It's more gray than B-Mix! I'd like to see his cone 03 body against a good grolleg porcelain like Babu or Helios to get a real comparison of color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazenerd Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 I would be " once firing" this body myself. Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 I would be " once firing" this body myself. Nerd Even more intriguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 His example of a cone 10R porcelain is probably the worst example of porcelain I've ever seen. I've never used a porcelain that was that gray. It's more gray than B-Mix! I'd like to see his cone 03 body against a good grolleg porcelain like Babu or Helios to get a real comparison of color.The cone 10 porcelain he's comparing it to...isn't porcelain at all, other than in name. You can't get it to be translucent at all. The zero3 looks like Southern Ice, but maybe a hair warmer in colour. It's extremely glassy, even as thick as Tony throws those sample mugs. You can see daylight through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curt Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 I guess porcelain just isn't what it used to be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinbucket Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 I have tried this recipe and I have found that 60% NZ kaolin and 40% Frit 3124 (sub any borax frit) +3% Veegum appears less grainy when comparing the translucency. Similar to photography where a higher ISO film looks more grainy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf66 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 Does anyone know where to buy NZ kaolin and Veegum T in Europe? I recently moved to Spain from Los Angeles, where everything was so easy to find, and my searches for these two materials come up with nothing.... HELP!! TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 read glazenerd's answer above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf66 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, oldlady said: read glazenerd's answer above. I’m sorry, other than his suggestion of substituting with Grolleg and macaloid I don’t see any reference to where to source NZK and Veegum T in Europe. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 he is suggesting that you try the substitutes since you cannot get the originals and single fire. he is our clay expert and his advice is usually sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf66 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I see. However, Tony Hansen, the creator of this body, its firing schedule and glazes, says the following (my underlining): ”The only solution was a switch to New Zealand Kaolin (which contains only 0.15% iron) and VeeGum. The result is dramatically better”. That’s why I was asking about where to buy these two materials in Europe. Has anyone had any success substituting them with Grolleg and macaloid as suggested by glazenerd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liambesaw Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 In Europe youre looking for their lowest iron Kaolin. Here in the US it's Grolleg or tile 6. Grolleg is .7% and tile 6 is .5% iron. You can use any Kaolin it just won't be as bright white! As far as veegum vs macloid, veegum is a macloid if I'm not mistaken, veegum being the trademark name. Either way you want a binder like this that is low in iron as well. Bentonite is a bad binder for this because it's high in iron. Veegum is expensive, so is frit, so this clay will cost a lot to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 You could try contacting the manufacturers and asking them. https://www.vanderbiltminerals.com/markets/ls-personal-care/products/personal-care-products-veegum https://www.imerys-ceramics.com/halloysite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liambesaw Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Min said: You could try contacting the manufacturers and asking them. https://www.vanderbiltminerals.com/markets/ls-personal-care/products/personal-care-products-veegum https://www.imerys-ceramics.com/halloysite Well that just makes too much dang sense, how dare you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 VeeGum T is a colloidal magnesium aluminum silicate. It's very expensive to use in clay bodies, but it works really well. I used to mix a porcelain with it, and the VGT accounted for 25% of the cost, even though it was only 2% of the mix. Even so, the body was still within an acceptable price range for porcelain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 It should be noted that Tony had to import his own New Zeland kaolin. Hallocyte isn't mined in Canada, that I'm aware of. ( @terrim8can you confirm?) He had the resources to do that because he works for a clay company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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