docweathers Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I tried Rick Malmgren's Blue-green / copper red glaze from 15 tried and true cone 6 glaze recipes. I got a shiny transparent glaze with a slight green tint. Has anyone else tried this glaze, with what result? Any clue how to get the beautiful result that Rick displays it in that article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esh Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I haven't tried this one, but copper red glaze recipe gets red only under reduction. So if you are using an electric kiln, you will not see the nice red of the illustration. Erez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Reed Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Yup esh is right, it would seem you either fired in an electric kiln or used gas and fired in oxidation. To get a red from that copper glaze you must fire in reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Post the recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I haven't tried this one, but copper red glaze recipe gets red only under reduction. So if you are using an electric kiln, you will not see the nice red of the illustration. Erez Actually, you can get that red in an electric kiln. I have a really nice copper green/red that I sometimes try to fire it so that it is red on the bottom shading into green on the top by firing it in an uncovered sagger with a little coffee grounds in the sagger. Haven't been successful yet in getting that to happen but that's because it comes out red with too little or no green. When I want that glaze to come out red. I fire in a sagger with coffee. Great way to get reduction red in an electric kiln when you don't want to fire up a reduction kiln. As long as you don't overdo it, I think it affects the life of the elements very little. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docweathers Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Here is the recipe. Note that it says oxidation or reduction. I was firing in a gas kiln under oxidation. For those unfamiliar with it, I have also attached the original document. It really has a lot of nice stuff in it. Blue-green / copper red glaze (Cone 6., oxidation or reduction) Talc . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 .30 % Whiting . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .14 .29 Ferro Frit 3134 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13 .33 Kona F-4 Feldspar . . . . . . . . . . . . .46. .16. EPK Kaolin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6. .40 Silica . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .16. .52 100 .00 % Add: Tin Oxide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 .24 % Zinc Oxide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 .37 % Black Copper Oxide . . . . . . . . .1 .07 % Covering with clear glaze helps reduce burning out of red . From Rick Malmgren, Ceramics Monthly, October 2000 15cone6recipes.pdf 15cone6recipes.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I see nothing in that recipe that would make me think it'll go red in oxidation. I think it's blue/green in oxidation, red in reduction. The saggar trick is worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docweathers Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Look at the picture in the attached PDF. He is getting both the blue-green and copper red in the same bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Look at the picture in the attached PDF. He is getting both the blue-green and copper red in the same bowl. Possibly, or he's used more than one glaze on that bowl. Also, the copper percentage is quite high for a copper red, which is probably contributing to it going blue-green even in reduction. And if you look at his Tenmoku recipe in that list it sounds like he typically fires in reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docweathers Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I emailed Rick Malmgren about this.He states that "It sounds as though you are not getting proper reduction. You need to have the right amount of reduction at the right time in the firing cycle. We go into reduction at cone 010 and maintain it to the end of the firing. You’ll need to experiment with your kiln to get the right results." so the statement in the article that it can be fired "oxidation or reduction" is an accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I emailed Rick Malmgren about this.He states that "It sounds as though you are not getting proper reduction. You need to have the right amount of reduction at the right time in the firing cycle. We go into reduction at cone 010 and maintain it to the end of the firing. You’ll need to experiment with your kiln to get the right results." so the statement in the article that it can be fired "oxidation or reduction" is an accurate. I think the statement is accurate. Like many copper red glazes, it can be fired in oxidation to get a green or green-blue glaze that is often as nice or nicer than the red. Obviously, Rick uses the glaze to get a copper red in a reduction firing. As I posted earlier, you can get localized reduction in an electric kiln by using saggers with organic material. So, if you don't have access to a reduction firing you could experiment with saggers. Just in case you're interested, here is a glaze that is a beautiful transparent green in oxidation and a nice red in saggers with coffee grounds or in a reduction firing. Water Color Green (Cone 6) Custer ... 47.8 Silica ... 16.9 Lithium Carb ... 4.0 Frit 3124 ... 5.0 Whiting ... 16.0 Strontium Carb ... 7.5 Bentonite ... 2.9 Copper Carb ... 8.0 Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docweathers Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Thanks for the glaze recipe. I'm using a gas kiln, so I will try it in both oxidation and reduction. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Water Color Green (Cone 6) Custer ... 47.8 Silica ... 16.9 Lithium Carb ... 4.0 Frit 3124 ... 5.0 Whiting ... 16.0 Strontium Carb ... 7.5 Bentonite ... 2.9 Copper Carb ... 8.0 Jim I've never seen a glaze that can hold more than 5-6% copper carb without leaching, let alone 8%. Have you tested this glaze? Malmgren should have specified that the red only happens in reduction. It's vague for anyone who's not familiar with the glaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Water Color Green (Cone 6) Custer ... 47.8 Silica ... 16.9 Lithium Carb ... 4.0 Frit 3124 ... 5.0 Whiting ... 16.0 Strontium Carb ... 7.5 Bentonite ... 2.9 Copper Carb ... 8.0 Jim I've never seen a glaze that can hold more than 5-6% copper carb without leaching, let alone 8%. Have you tested this glaze? Malmgren should have specified that the red only happens in reduction. It's vague for anyone who's not familiar with the glaze. Yes, it does leach. Not as badly as you might expect but there is some leaching. I don't use it where it would come into contact with food. Thanks for pointing this out. I should have done so when I posted the recipe. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Here is the link to Rick Mailgram's article making the switch from ^10 reduction to ^6 reduction. I think he was very clear about it being for reduction. http://ceramicartsdaily.org/ceramic-glaze-recipes/glaze-chemistry-ceramic-glaze-recipes-2/traditional-cone-10-glazes-make-the-leap-to-cone-6/ Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 OP got the recipe from the 16 Tried and True Glazes publication, which did not contain all the information in that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yes, sometimes crucial information is left out of the edited down versions of articles from publications. I have had that experience with my own articles reposted in CAD. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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