Gonen Posted December 25, 2022 Report Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) I want to cover a vase with combination of different clay slips (terracotta , black clay, porcelain , RIO clay slip , and cupper oxide clay slip ) on different spaces over the clay body - cone 6 ox I want a shiny met look like the one of terra sigillata what do you think I should add into the slips ? and in what proportions ? silica ? fieldfare or maybe a frit ? thanks Edited December 25, 2022 by Gonen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 Hi Goren, I don't have a depth of slip knowledge and experience to draw from*, just wanted to suggest that you run trials on test tiles or test pieces - same clay body, of course - before committing to your vase. *I do use a red slip, which is made from a red stoneware that I use, with the sand sieved out. I apply it to just trimmed ware, usually with a brush, with the ware on the wheel. Gonen and Rae Reich 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 If you want a finish similar to terra sig, you’ll need to use a slip that has a finer particle size, so sieving as Hulk suggests is a good place to start. After that, you’ll probably have to add some kind of flux to the clay you’re using as slip. You really will have to do some methodical testing on those clays to see what works best, because how it turns out is going to depend on what you use. Your best bet is to set up some line blends, adding frit or feldspar to your clay in maybe 2% increments to as much as an additional 20%. That 20% is probably going to be overkill, but it’ll give you information about what happens. Rae Reich, Hulk and Gonen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 Have a look at vitreous slip or vitreous engobe recipes. When you put the slip on the pot will make a big difference in the composition of the slip/englobe. The drier the unfired clay is the less plastic materials you want in it to prevent it cracking or shelling off the pot while firing. If you are applying the slip to bisque ware then you need very little raw clay in the slip, more along the lines of an underglaze than a vitreous slip. When are you applying the slip? Hulk, Callie Beller Diesel and Gonen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonen Posted December 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 id apply it to leather hard clay body - i think to spray the place with water before the application , so i think the slip can be plastic and shrink ok with the clay body so i think ill add some flux ( feldspar or earthenware clay) to make a better connection to the clay body and cover the differences in shrinkage and a little silica or frit to form a little glasslike looks i ask myself if i should add some sodium silicate to difluc the all thing ? what do you think ? Hulk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 Have a look at the cone 6 engobe recipes here. To make them more glossy increase the flux, in this case the recipe uses nepheline syenite plus frit. An earthenware clay should work too if you are okay with the slip not being white, try a blend of earthenware, kaolin or ball clay and nepheline syenite, silica and frit. If you don't have access to a frit try 5% borax (dissolve it in hot water first), this will precipate out of the slip over time so don't make a big batch of it. It's going to take some testing to get a good fit between your claybody and the slip with the amount of gloss you are looking for. Yes, I would probably add some deflocculant, if sodium silicate is what you have then try a tiny bit of that. Less water in the slip results in less shrinkage thereby decreasing the chances of it cracking while drying. Callie Beller Diesel, Gonen and Hulk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 If you’re adjusting slip/pot fit with differences in water content or deflocculant, a polymer based flow agent is going to give you more room for error than sodium silicate will. The North American go to is Darvan, and on the other side of the Atlantic, a similar product is called Dispex. If you’re using sodium silicate on small batches especially, it’s very easy to cross the line between deflocculated nicely and a substance that resembles pudding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonen Posted December 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 all about slips as glazes on digital fire https://digitalfire.com/article/creating+a+non-glaze+ceramic+slip+or+engobe Callie Beller Diesel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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