buckeye Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 This is what I spent ALL day on yesterday. I have been wanting to make them for a while and had no idea I would have so much trouble, I couldnt tell you how many times I tried and failed and I am not happy with these but closest I came to throwing something that looked like you might actually pour wine in. The one on the left looks crooked and mishaped but it isnt, after seeing the picture I had to go look to make sure but they are still bad. Any tips on throwing wine goblets? I kept taking breaks yesterday and watching youtube videos and that didnt seem to help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benhim Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 They aren't easy. Goblets were a staple of both of my most influential college potters. Both of them teach how to make them, and they both do them almost exactly the same way. Don't feel discouraged for struggling with this form because the learning curve is steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest friedfiredfireclay Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Don't be too hard on yourself, all forms take time to come to terms with. Your next attempt will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rissierae Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 "sad and pathetic"?? They're not sad and pathetic. Just practice, you'll get them to look how you want them to eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalGirl Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 They're pretty substantial, but look fine. My mentor threw goblets in 2 pieces - the bowl and then the stem/foot. I think if you search Bill van Gilder on YouTube he has a nice video on throwing goblets too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I hope no one misunderstood. I am not down or upset with myself or anything, To me they are both sad, pathetic and horrible but I started yesterday not being able to make one at all. It takes practice and patience and although I think they look horrible I am satisfield with myself for trying and trying and.. TRYING! I will get it, eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I also recommend throwing in two pieces and attaching. I found throwing the stem onto the cup can lead to a crack in the cup. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 This is what I spent ALL day on yesterday. I have been wanting to make them for a while and had no idea I would have so much trouble, I couldnt tell you how many times I tried and failed and I am not happy with these but closest I came to throwing something that looked like you might actually pour wine in. The one on the left looks crooked and mishaped but it isnt, after seeing the picture I had to go look to make sure but they are still bad. Any tips on throwing wine goblets? I kept taking breaks yesterday and watching youtube videos and that didnt seem to help! Hmmm a few tips, as I have been throwing chalices for 30 years now on a regular basis. 1) Throw in two pieces-throw stems upright not upside down, throw cups as you would use them. When throwing stems, a narrow throwing stick is most helpful to get a tall thin stem. 2) Trim stems first(if leaving a full bottom on stems make certain to leave an air hole, then trim cups-assembling a stem to cup while still on wheel. 3) When trimming the cup create an indent ring for the stem of choice to fit into-score, add slip(I use Magic Water) with wheel stopped fit stem into indent-slowly spinning wheel use fingers to join and finish. 4)Dry two days slowly to allow the join to assimilate. I use a Griffin Grip now to trim my cups, and stems with foam pads I have made. Sometimes I use a thrown chuck to trim the stems. With my chalices there is a different set of requirements involved as these are used for Communion services. Intinction(dipping the bread into the wine) is often used with the wider rimmed cup, whereas the drinking formed bowl for ceremonies where the minister is the only one to use the cup. For you, the shape of the cup is not so important as the diameter of the rim-imagine drinking out of a pickle jar. Too wide dripping on corners of mouth, too narrow no nose room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denice Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I was never in to goblets but I was taught to do it like Marcia's suggestion attaching the stem to the goblet. Denice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowes Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't make many goblets, but when I do I throw a tall narrow cylinder with the foot the width I want for the stem. After I get the height I want, I choke in and taper the "stem" to the bottom of the cup and then shape the cup portion, leaving the bottom of the cup with a small opening. I fill the opening with a ball of clay and shape it to match the curve of the cup bottom. Given, you can't make a really narrow stem this way, but it makes it easier for an ocassional goblet maker. The thicker tapered stem gives you something to work with in design as well. I saw this in a Google video (before they bought YouTube) and would like to credit the technique to the potter that posted the video, but can't remember the fellow's name. He was (is?) a high school art teacher. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave the potter Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I also throw goblets in 2 pieces but I throw the bottoms upside down so I don't have to trim them. I also do not trim the cups but paddle the bottom of the cup and the top of the stem, then slip them together. After years of doing wholesale orders this way, it has become very efficient and fairly painless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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