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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:15 PM
Last time, the cone at the thermocouple shelf was solid ^6, the bottom cone was just barely a ^5. almost 2 cones difference. Neil says I might need new elements and relays.
Todays load, same everything, even cone 6 all the way through. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN I should do now????
What could make the bottom of the kiln fire 2 cones cool 1 firing and 3 days later fire a correct ^6 ??
All advice appreciated.
Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:22 PM
I don't know diddly about kilns but I do know that some electronics die a slow death, meaning something screwy one day and the next time all is well....the next time, screwy again. Maybe you should just go ahead and replace your elements. The other option is tolerating under-firing on off days until it dies completely resulting in more work in the long run.
Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:27 PM
I am electrically challenged.....
Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:23 PM
Posted 11 December 2013 - 08:57 AM
The ware was flat Christmas ornaments, same as before, with 4" posts, same as always.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:05 AM
Knowing that all of your elements are getting hot, I'd start by testing your relays. Do you have a multimeter? You'll also need some wire and a 9V battery... or you can just use your car's battery. Shut down the breaker and remove the relays from the kiln, marking each one's position.
Start by measuring the resistance (multimeter set to ohms) and confirm with the kiln company that the relay's resitance is in the right range. Next hook up the relay to the battery. Connect the negative side first so as to ground the charge. Then connect the wire to the positive contact point on the battery. Lastly, touch the free end of the positive wire to the positive contact point on the relay. Does it click? When you break the circuit does it click again? Do it a few times. Is it consistent? This will tell you whether you have a sticky or stuck/broken relay.
If everything reads properly, then you may have element issues, though from my experience those don't come back to life. When they're broken they're broken.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:14 AM
With a multi-meter you can see if the relays are working. Open the control panel, turn the kiln on High (rate of 9999) and check the power coming out of the relays. Turn the kiln off, back on, and test again. Do this about a half dozen times to see if you can get a relay to stick again. It's the only way to test for sticky relays. The other option is to go ahead and replace all the relays. If they are several years old, they're probably due anyway. HERE.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:47 AM
From a cold start, relays can work fine,but after some hours it may fail. Easiest and in the long run cheapest is to replay all the relays. Relays take more electrical abuse than elements and seem to fail more often with older elements, just my experience.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:15 PM
A direction to go in and some directions on how to get there. exactly what I needed. Much appreciated.
Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:27 PM
I don't believe anyone has addressed the issue that immediately springs to my mind.....
How are you loading these kilns, with regards to shelf placement?
You said that the bottom of the kiln is a full 1.5-2 cones lower... This has absolutely been my experience if you place shelves close together at the bottom of the kiln.
This may not be the case for you, but I just hadn't seen anyone propose that as a cause yet.
Since (on an elementary level), heat rises, the bottom of the kiln will tend to be cooler. You can mitigate this by creating larger "chambers" at the bottom of the kiln throughout which heat can circulate.
But if you have a few 4" layers of plates/flat ornaments at the bottom, with tall objects on top, the top of the kiln will absolutely fire 2 cones hotter.
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