Thanks for all the replies I have been reading and watching a lot seems like each wheel has their own ups and downs. Talked to a store that does repairs on wheels and sales wheels. Brent and Shimpo. The gentleman I spoke to recommended the Shimpo Vl Whisper. He said the Brent has a better warranty. But parts are really expensive for the Brent. But the Speedball Clay boss is in the middle with price. Again thanks for the replies.