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  1. Yeah, the 3/4 plug/receptacle combo had me scratching my head too, thinking maybe somebody did some......creative wiring. But upon closer inspection I saw that the ring, or section, is for an AA-8 B, which apparently does have a different plug configuration than the A-88. Same size, different plugs. And glad Paragon doesn't make their model numbers confusing or or anything (A-88B, AA-8B). Thanks for all the input.
  2. Thanks for all of the input. I finally got around to switching the receptacle back so I could test the outlet on the kiln and it does have power. Just haven't found a matching plug for it yet so will have to hit up some of the local specialty electrical supply places when I have time. But I have included some pics for your enjoyment. Thanks again.
  3. Hello, Another old kiln question. I've got an old Paragon A88-B that I'm getting ready to sell. It has an expansion ring and looks like someone had replaced the plug on the power cord for it with like a 14-20 or something similar (3 flat blades, one round) but the receiving outlet on the kiln is something like a 10-20 (3 flat blades). I've never fired it with the expansion ring installed because of this, but wanted to have a better idea of why it was set up this way before I sell it. I'm guessing that for whatever reason a previous owner was maybe just plugging the expansion ring directly into a matching wall outlet. Maybe the outlet on the kiln for it doesn't work (I probably should've tested that now that I think of it). Any thoughts? I just want to be able to give potential buyers as much info as possible in case they ask. Thanks a lot!
  4. Thanks for the info. That puts the L&L controller right in line with most of the others that I've been looking at in terms of price, but I assume it's quite a bit more involved as far as install goes, correct? If it's basically how Ronfire explained it then that's certainly within my realm of capability, just need to be sure I got all of the correct parts. Hmm, now you've got me thinking.....
  5. If you needed to go a little thicker maybe some pieces of Hardibacker or similar concrete backerboard?
  6. So after pestering you fine folks about rehabilitating on old Skutt 1027 I decided that I really didn't want to put a bunch of time and money into an old kiln that is not in the best shape, and instead am having a kiln rebuilt for me by a semi-local L&L distributer. It's basically a J230 with new electronics and elements, however it has a manual controller. I really want to go with an electronic controller and apparently to retrofit this one with a hardwired version was not really going to be cost-effective so am looking at wall-mount/plug-in styles. From my research it looks like my options would be something like the Skutt wall-mount Kilnmasters, an Orton Autofire, or a Rampmaster for the plug-in styles. And then there's the Electro Sitter, which from what I can determine looks like is a unit that replaces the kiln sitter, and then has the option of going with a few different control panels, of which the Bartlett V6-CF seems to be a pretty solid choice. I do really like the idea of the Genesis, but haven't found that as an option, so would require buying an Electro Sitter with a different control board and then replacing it with the Genesis, but that would be really expensive and kind of a waste for just a little bling on my kiln. Oh yeah, and then there are all those cheap controllers on eBay for under $100, and while I'm sure some are OK for certain uses, I'm pretty skeptical. So, I'm asking for some input and suggestions as to what would be a good option for me (just a hobbyist, not a production potter......yet). Obviously keeping the cost lower is better, but I want something quality that will be reliable and last a while, and that I won't outgrow in a year (even though I know I could get by with just a kiln sitter indefinitely). I'm comfortable doing some light electrical work if need be. Ok, one last thing, should I consider something that will control all three zones independently or just stick with a controller with one pyrometer? Having something that could adjust each zone independently sounds pretty cool, but from what I've read sounds like it can put a bit of extra strain on elements and relays. And if I really had issues with cold spots couldn't I potentially compensate for this by just adjusting the infinite switches, thereby eliminating the need for a 3-zone controller? Thanks so much for your help!
  7. Yep, a lesson I've learned all too well. If anyone has any suggestions of where to order from, or if I should just go straight through Skutt I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.
  8. Ok, guess you guys have convinced me to spring for the legit ones. Was hoping to save a few bucks, but sounds like it's prob worth the money for the longevity and ease of install. When I bought the kiln the guy told me he had a set of elements for it but not with him and he'd send them to me. Several attempts at contact and 2 years later still no elements. Shocker. Thanks again for the input.
  9. Thanks for the clarification! Looks like Euclids it is.
  10. Getting ready to order some new elements for my old Skutt 1027 that I've been working on rehabilitating. Had planned on ordering from Euclid but then came across these guys at kilnelements.com. They're asking $44/set with pins and connectors vs. $191 + about $18 for connectors at Euclid, and closer to $300 everywhere else. Haven't been able to find hardly any info on them so curious if they're of comparable quality. Thanks in advance for any input!
  11. Actually I'm pretty sure I ended up using a different clay for the handle. I was practicing pulling handles and I think I ended up going with one that was from a different bucket of clay (I've got a bunch of free clay from different sources that I've been trying to keep organized, but that's not exactly my strong suit). The handle is actually what the glaze is supposed to look like, so it's possible there were some clay/glaze compatibility issues. However most of the inside of the mug came out OK, so more likely it was my application.
  12. I likely did all of the things mentioned: applied too thin/diluted too much, cooled too quickly, and possibly overfired because it was closer to the elements than the cones (manual temp control). I just turned it off when it hit temp for a bit, since it was about 4:15 am and had to work in a few hours. And it was a different clay than the test tiles, but I had another piece in there that was made from the same clay that came out fine. But it only had some clear glaze over underglaze and was sitting in the middle of the kiln. Well thanks for the feedback. I'll just chalk that one off to another learning experience.
  13. Hello, I just did a glaze firing of some test pieces in my little test kiln and one glaze that I used on a mug came out looking awful. I've used this glaze before with success, so wondering what may have caused the problem. I'm relatively new to working with glazes outside of a classroom setting, but haven't seen results quite like this before. I tried looking it up but nothing really fit this particular issue, or maybe I was phrasing my question wrong. Either way, here are the details: I was using Mottled Turquoise by Blick (one of a bunch of jars of glaze I acquired after buying out someone's small home studio), cone 4-7. The glaze had pretty much dried out so I added some water and mixed it up using an old handheld immersion blender. I then applied with a brush (label recommended 3-4 coats), however it was pretty lump and didn't go on very smoothly or evenly. So after the first coat I used a slightly damp sponge to try to smooth out the glaze. I then diluted the jar a little more in hopes of attaining smoother coverage and added 2 more coats. I poured some into the inside since brushing it was a pain, and that actually came out pretty OK. Everything looked good and even, so I fired up the kiln. Fired to cone 5, but was kind of a quick fire, about 9 hours. The glaze came out really lumpy and not even close to turquoise, was more brown. Also, when I picked up the mug I could hear and feel it sort of crackling under my fingers. This leads me to believe there are some sort of adhesion issues, and possibly the clay body and glaze shrinking at different rates. The clay is sort of a mystery clay that I got for free, but everything else I used it for has seemed to have come out fine. I had another glaze produce similar results on a clay that I was very familiar with and was fired in a different kiln. The handle on the mug in question looks good, but pretty much everything else looks terrible. The other pieces fired with it were just test tiles with clear glaze over underglazes and all looked fine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! mug1.tiff mug1.tiff
  14. Rehab For Old Kiln

    I knew the wire is a much smaller gauge but wasn't sure if it was insulated the same. I've got of bunch of various sizes of wire laying around the house so was wondering if I could just use some of the appropriate gauge, but I kind of figured it would require something that could tolerate the temps they'd be in proximity to. Also, this doesn't really seem to use a wiring harness, just individual wires, but I think they could all use replacing, just to be safe. The current plug on it is a 10-50, rather than a 6-50. Not sure if this was a modification by a previous owner or if it is just a really old model. Should I just switch it to a 6-50 when I replace the cord? Figure it wouldn't hurt to have a more modern setup there, especially if the outlet were to be used for something else in the future. The outlet I had installed is a 10-50 to match the current cord, as I was assuming that whatever plug was on the kiln was the correct one. But from what I understand it seems this is a pretty old configuration and may not ground properly, at least on the original versions. I couldn't find any dates on it anywhere but imagine the serial number could be some sort of clue there. Thanks again for all of the help!
  15. Rehab For Old Kiln

    Thanks, that's pretty much what I was wondering, if the wiring was rated to a specific range. The one that is/was on the kiln is a 2/6 and 1/8 (the 8 ga being the ground), but I assume going with all 6 would be fine. Plug is different too, but I figure that isn't really a big deal either. Is it safe to assume that all of the other wiring is pretty standard, since it's not carrying the kind of load that the power cord is?