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#21 oldlady

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 11:17 AM

just to add an opinion (which does not matter for some people) find a teacher and know what your teacher can make/do.  

 

there are people out there calling themselves teachers.  they are not skilled enough to make anything that should be kept, even as a pet dish.  know the person's work, if it is something worth emulating, go for it.  if it is not, find someone else.  look beyond the silly things, personality traits, sound of voice, etc.  does that person know what he/she is doing?

 

you won't know that unless you see many pots and have read many books.  educate yourself, just not exclusively at a distance.


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#22 Chris Campbell

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 11:23 AM

The internet only engages sight ... you deprive yourself of all the other senses.
How clay feels when it is ready for the next step, how it feels when it is really dry, when it feels just right to put on slips.
Smell ... yes, how a properly firing kiln smells. Notice how long it takes, how to load and unload it.
Social ... learn from all the other potters experiences.
Taste ... people always seem to bring food to workshops! : - )
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#23 RonSa

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 06:22 PM

Online is a good resource for learning but its needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I've seen to many YouTube videos that are not only poor examples of how to do things but sometimes just downright dangerous. ("Here hold my beer, I showya how its done.") 

 

Hands on instruction can shorten the learning curve considerably then trying to learn on one's own. Closest classes to me (besides the HS class) are almost a 2 hour drive each way (once a week for 8 weeks) and I'm looking to pick one for the spring.

 

People in my generation sees the word Nerd as a derogatory term. I know many 20 somethings that consider Nerd a badge of honor.


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Posted 24 December 2016 - 05:07 AM

People in my generation sees the word Nerd as a derogatory term. I know many 20 somethings that consider Nerd a badge of honor.

 

That's the thing. Words with 'bad' connotations are in an endless process of reclamation. A badge of shame becomes a badge of pride, deflating the aggression of the original barb. Plenty of examples in identity theory.

My (current) favourite is the way that 'geek' has been reclaimed, especially when allied with 'girl'. 'Geek girl' is a real power statement, combining as it does repossession of the word 'geek' from the pool of scornful characterisation, and marrying it symbolically with female empowerment.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 03:47 PM

I had to drag this thread back up.  If only to present a bright side.

 

I started classes again.  The place I'm taking classes has been teaching them for 50 years.  of the 25 class currently offered in clay, I believe most are full.  (current online list is inaccurate).  My instructor has a collage education.  He has work in clay for 40 years. Selling and teaching are his only source of income.  His adult advance throwing/hand building classes are always full.

 

Several of the students in my own class have participated in shows in the past year.  When I look around the room at class I see people who have enough dedication to make big changes in their lives in order to make clay a part of it.  Growing up I was always told that you could never support yourself with art.  So I became a nurse.  Now I'm back at art again.  No matter what happens with the colleges, there will always be people who will do what ever it takes to learn the craft of their choice.  With the internet these people will find each other. 

 

 


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#26 Marcia Selsor

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 10:06 AM

Tom (glaze nerd)

Not alot of information out there on crystalline glaze: and what is, is not overly technical. That said, I suspect I have read and studied over ten times the books, technical papers, and research docs: as required in college.
BTW I had glaze chemistry in my under grad training at the Phila. College of Art BFA program and again in Graduate school during my MFA program. It was more readily part of the programs way back when.

I did my thesis on Crystalline Glazes. You are close enough to go to the ceramics engineering library in Champaign. I did most of my research there (1971) There are hand written kiln logs, lots of original notes from the early 1900s. I was fortunate to have a sister -in-law put me up while I visited the library. It was in the basement of the ceramics engineering building. You could nerd-out! With the exception of a silly movie, I don't think nerd has bad connotations. I have been called one fondly by my friends. I don't mind.
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#27 Marcia Selsor

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 10:32 AM

Attached File  MarciSIU copysmall.jpg   217.36KB   0 downloadsback to the topic. When I was teaching in Montana, the administration decided no more summer classes with less than 50 FIFTY students. Faculty could teach continuing ed classes for much less pay. Since I was approaching retirement, average salary towards a pension would be lost. Combine that with the physical demands of loading and unloading kilns for a program of 60 students without help. My students were working 2-3 jobs to cover climbing tuition costs. They couldn't devote much extra time in the studio. My body was in pain. So much pain that a sleep test show my sleep was interrupted 23 times per minute by pain.
The roof blew off the studio building during my last year in Oct. 1999. I had plywood bundles being dropped onto the roof during classes. One made a light fixture drop onto a student during my slide talk.Constant hammering was beyond annoying. By March I got shingles -not the roof type. I missed 10 days of classes plus Spring break.Never missed classes before. I decided it was time to quit. Put in my 25 years. I since then have taught in two other universities as well as numerous workshops.I gave myself a big present of doing residencies to give myself time to focus and to work around others. That was a great education for me.
I am teaching an online 6 week course on Alternative firing. I got good reviews for my first course. Students' work was remarkably impressive. I had my doubts about this venue. But the combination of weekly focus combines with an open chat room and lots of questions and answers, I think it worked out well. I agree that the tactile ability of teaching clay is not there. Squeezing fingers to demonstrate the pressure to apply to brace your fingers is not there. But I am teaching topics that can be communicated visually with explanations. It is much more in depth than a you tube video. I am satisfied with the students' progress. I agree that face to face interaction is the best teaching system. But many people can't do that due to their living situation. I had a student from Slovenia in my class. Another from Britain. They can watch the videos as they wish. We have a private Facebook chat room. I found it to be a very interesting and satisfying experience. And it had successful results.I have been working in clay for 51 years. I have been teaching for the past 46 years beginning in Graduate school in 1971. Here is a picture from 1971 just for fun.1971 Graduate school at SIU Carbondale. I have been carded in bars until I was 36.


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#28 GEP

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 01:15 PM

Just to echo what Chantay said, I live in a big urban center with lots of clay classes. It can be hard to take a class because they are often sold out. At some of the art centers near me, the classes are prohibitively expensive. And I recognize how much harder this is for people in rural areas, where there's no chance at all to take an in-person class.

In-person classes are not being hurt by youtube. It might be the other way around. Many more people are exposed to the IDEA of learning pottery thanks to youtube and social media, then they seek out in-person classes.

The thing about saying "there's no substitute for in-person instruction" is that there are good instructors and bad instructors. I've met the whole range of them over the years. College progams are generally of higher quality but not always. I know college-educated potters who are not all that well-informed or trained, or who feel disappointed in their experience. And for adult learners who want continuing education, the college programs are not available to them, or are way too expensive.

I think online classes can fill a need. Quality is quality, no matter how it is delivered. I'd be willing to bet that working with Marcia online, with her background and experience, is much more valuable than an average in-person class.
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#29 Marcia Selsor

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:43 PM

Wow! Thank you very much Mea. I like to think the 50 years experience and almost that much teaching does tend to improve over time. Always room to improve and learn.I agree that people's schedules and lifestyle can prohibit getting into classes or attending as often as required. Online courses are flexible. And inexpensive, as far as I know.

Thank you again, Mea.
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#30 glazenerd

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 11:03 PM

Marcia:

 

I have downloaded several documents that the U of I have put up online: part of their digital library. I would enjoy rooting around their technical journals and going through their research. One of the best studies I have ever read on fluxes came from there.

 

 

Not alot of information out there on crystalline glaze:

It is usually limited to glaze formulation and firing schedules. I have no idea of the actual number, but I suspect that less than 2% of potters have even attempted this glaze; and less than 1 percent fire it on a regular basis. Like all things pottery, if it were more predictable and popular: there would be much more info and products available. I had given thought about selling a dry mix commercially for cone 6; just do not have the time right now to really devote to it. My supplier in St. Louis has offered to distribute it; maybe later in my life.

 

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 09:32 AM

Marcia:

 

Your reply got me to thinking last night and this morning of my younger days. I was at the U of I Campaign back in 73; friend of mine was in a State Chess Tournament. ( I think)... cannot seem to remember why I was up there. Was at SiU-C (Carbondale) back in 72-73 as well: cousins were attending there. I do recall REO Speedwagon playing the local college bars: where they got their start as I recall. Been through SIU-E (Edwardsville) many many times starting back in 70. Use to go to the MRF (Mississippi River Festival) for rock concerts. My baby brother graduated from there in 78. I was just there again back in September, at the Student Union building for a recent display of Art Majors' displays. Small world after all. .

 

If you get through St. Louis, you have to check out University Museum. Formerly known as the University Pottery; where Taxtile Doat taught. Some of his crystalline pieces he produced while teaching there, are still on display. Most of the pieces on display are from 1905-1918; interesting to see the history.

 

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 10:36 AM

yes I have visited the U museum in St. Louis. I was in Grad school at SIU 1970-1973 and lived another year in the area where we had built a kiln in the back yard. Saw Bonnie Raitt is Shylock (?) auditorium and BBKing in Murphysboro.
At UI library they had old Ladies Home Journal with an interview with Adelaide Robineau. Great read.
I love to research in such great places. My journeys in Spain took me to 48 pottery villages interviewing potters. Great year. That is why my friends put a sign on my office door, NERD! I guess it isn't everyone's cup of tea.


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