Mudslinger Ceramics 66 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hi all Had our gallery's Christmas bash recently and a debate broke out about our personal definitions of who we are and what we do....... some thought 'potter' and 'pottery' was outdated, some kind of 1970's 'hippy' brown 'mug and jug' concept others said 'ceramicist' sounded like some inflated, interllectual self-justifying 'label' for a craft already practiced for thousands of years others thought 'ceramics' allowed for broader interpretations than functional wares and ALL were horrified that handmade artisan work could get lumped into 'paint-a-plate/hobby ceramics'!! ............the impetus for today's question was one person's strong assertion that ....'in the US and UK theyre called ceramicists not potters!'..............really?? .......it does not seem the case as I read through CAD but maybe I can't read.........so I will ask the question.... How do you define yourself and what you do?....... potter/pottery, ceramics/ceramicist....or some hybrid or variation? Look forward to the answers....... Have a great Christmas/New Year holiday!! ......btw, 35C here today...no snow Irene Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JBaymore Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I typically use ceramist or ceramic artist. It is my understanding that "ceramisist" (sir ram a sist) is actually an incorrect spelling and pronunciation. But I could be wrong. It could also be like the English (as in UK) pronunciation of "aluminum" relative to the US English pronunciation. I've been using ceramist (cayer a mist) for as long as I can remember. Ah yes..... that famous profession-damaging bumper sticler........ "Ceramics: The world's most facinating hobby". And the credibility-lowering curse we too often tend to place on ourselves...... "I play with clay." or "I play with mud." Unfortunately words do matter. They carry meanings and create impressions. How you chose to describe yourself does not matter....... as long as the connotations the word create fits who you are. best, ...............................john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Diane Puckett 41 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Potter, and proud of it. Unless I am in NYC, where I morph into a ceramic artist. Y'all have a drama-free, muddy holiday season. Carol Eaton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Reed 23 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I asked a similar question last year and got a varity of answers. Now when I introduce myself I will say Potter. Carol Eaton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark C. 5,063 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'm a potter-if you get technical i'm a studio potter or funtional potter-These terms work for my customers and they relate to them fine. They did 40 years ago as well-they still do.They call me a potter. Now if they are drinking at a party or bash as you say they may use other terms? Mark Carol Eaton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denice 823 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Mark are those the same terms that I want to call people at parties that haven't the foggiest idea what a potter does or the ones that offer me a 1000 molds when I tell them I am a Ceramic artist. Denice Carol Eaton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark C. 5,063 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 You do not mean drunks do you? Most folks in out small county know what a potter is -you see we have two types one works with clay(#1) the other grows Marijuana(#2) which is now what this place is known for now (Humbldt County) I'm the 1st type If you want to see the other type check out the DVD Humboldt County for some bad acting as well. PS I have some pottery in a kitchen scene in that flick my wife says. Not sure myself If its mine it was done without my knowledge. I have sold pottery here for 40 years so I'm not surprized I had a customer in my booth today thats been buying my stuff since 1973. Mark Carol Eaton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Babs 1,252 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Peasant potter here! Got sick of whether pottery is Art or Craft ongoing debate by some people around.. Desire to change our community gallery to a Fine Art gallery by self acclaimed uneducated Art experts made something in me go to the dark side... Not usually like this but gimme a break, being critiqued by peasants, hell I might as well be one! Just another label to stop people thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bciskepottery 963 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Mud Wrestler . . . if you watch me throw, you'll understand. Davidpotter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JBaymore Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Got sick of whether pottery is Art or Craft ongoing debate by some people around.. For me this is simple...... I have always ascribed to the Japanese viewpoint (before the Westerners arrived). There simply is no dividing line. best, ................john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GEP 2,221 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 This thread has made me realize that I have stopped associating with people who don't know what a potter does. BeF23 and clay lover 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Babs 1,252 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Got sick of whether pottery is Art or Craft ongoing debate by some people around.. For me this is simple...... I have always ascribed to the Japanese viewpoint (before the Westerners arrived). There simply is no dividing line. best, ................john Apologies for the rant, the seasonal stress may have damaged my filter, lots of rough stuff in the clay for me the involvement of the viewer with what is presented most important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeF23 0 Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 I use 'clay aritst'. I don't do just pottery, so I if I say that and then tell people I also do sculpture, then they think that's an aside 'hobby'. If I say 'ceramicist', then inevitably, and usually surprisingly, depending on the company I am keeping, someone asks me a question about painting figurines. So, Clay Artist. But that usually requires extensive explanation too. As a side note... I spent many years convincing a large group of potters that they work was both a craft and an art. It's an important thing to know about your work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denice 823 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I like that description 'clay artist', I might try using it. I produce more sculptural work than any thing else. Mark I wish I could tell you those people were drunk but they weren't, they are members in car restoration clubs. They don't mix drinking with driving ever. Art is not emphasized in Wichita, KS, we are a manufacturing city, building planes from the smallest single engines to the largest.freight lifters. You grow up here expecting to work at one on the plants when you get out of school. Walk up to a group of people and listen to them discussing wind shear, hydraulics, pneumatics ect. very few speak the language of art.. Denice BeF23 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bciskepottery 963 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 "Walk up to a group of people and listen to them discussing wind shear, hydraulics, pneumatics ect. very few speak the language of art." I'm willing to say it's poetry to them . . . the art of making planes. Maybe not "art" in the context of our community, but among their tribe, art. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Campbell 1,228 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I am a potter but if I say that somebody wants to buy a mug. I've noticed that all the service/delivery people really want to hear all about it when they see the kilns in the garage. They are really interested and into it. They ask to see the wheel and the clay etc. ... talking to them is more fun than some 'Shows'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denice 823 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I've noticed that too, my husband's garage where he restores cars is right next to my studio. After they look at the cars they head for the kiln room, really don't care what I'm working on, must see the kilns. I hope everyone is getting some work done, I had big plans but got sideline by pneumonia even had to cancel Christmas. Denice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChenowethArts 469 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'll second what BeF23 wrote. Clay Artist seems to work...even if it means a longer explaination. I have noted the term does have better success in Google than it used to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davidpotter 16 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 i like to keep it simple and call myself a potter. though sometimes i'll use the term "skilled work" too. since it takes a lot of practice to do what we do on the wheel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Coyle 116 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 When asked, I say "I do ceramics". When filling out a form I just put "ceramics". I think That lets people come up with their own image and I hope have enough curiosity to take a look Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carol Eaton 0 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Although I've been a potter for years it took me a few years to call myself a potter. I felt I had to earn that title. So...potter it is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stephsteph 23 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 none of the categories quite fit me. tile maker? sculptor? hand builder? potter isn't accurate either though i don't howl about being in the big tribe. oh? and that other word, at least it is better if you take out the extra 'syllalibble' i.e., ceramist rather than ceramicist. woody b 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tarheeler 6 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I'd say that I'm a potter and I make pots. It doesn't preclude me from making pots that are art, and I can fill that role as well, but I'm good with potter. My day job for the last 15 years has been making, installing, and fixing things, and I feel there is a lot of value in titles like craftsman, artisan, and tradesman. If they have lost value in society's eyes, in then it up to us to change that. Rebekah Krieger, Marcia Selsor and Pres 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sophiewood 0 Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 hi guys, i'm currently doing my dissertation at university on craft inferiority, and i'm doing a section of the language we use to speak about ourselves, our work and the titles we give ourselves as creatives. I came across this article and was really interested to see your answers on the different titles you have for yourselfs. id love to know why you guys think it is so important and why you don't want to be assosicated with other titles? thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hulk 910 Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Hi Sophie! "Craft inferiority" as in Glen Adamson's Thinking Through Craft - that what you talkin' 'bout? I - for one - am not hanging much importance on titles (I'm "retired!"). Pottery/potting may be to Ceramics what competitive swimming is to Aquatics? ...more specific? What "other titles" did you have in mind? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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