MariaPolky 1 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not sure if this is the right place to address this topic, but I'll go for it. I had a class assignment to make any kind of experiment to learn more about material science, so I decided to test if pennies, nickels, and dimes could be used as a colorant when submerged in a glaze, and taken to cone 10. This definitely didn't work, as the nickels and dimes melted, and actually burned through the clay test trays :/ but the pennies did something so strange that I really cannot begin to understand... The first is a penny alone in a clay tray, taken to cone 10 The second is a penny submerged in a clear glaze and taken to cone 10 All my penny tests grew these hard, textured, cord-things. It was definitely a shock. I'm wondering if the reason for this is that the Zinc being the majority of the penny (I used post 1983 pennies) turned to calx because it melts at such a lower temperature, and since the copper is surrounding the zinc, maybe the zinc was pushing it's way out of the core and squeezed out, hardening along the way?? Does anyone have any ideas? I'm open to any thoughts, I'm completely confused by these little aliens!! Harold Roberts 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Oz 68 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't know, but it's awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trina 21 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Cool. T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Campbell 1,226 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Now I have to try that! Way cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcia Selsor 1,857 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Wow! looks like War of the Worlds. cool! Marcia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JBaymore Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 WOW! Very interesting. Have to think on THAT one. best, ..............john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Diane Puckett 41 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 What were you hoping to see? Per the US Mint, since 1982 pennies have been made of copper-coated zinc. I had no idea, though, with the value of copper, I should have known. Composition: Copper-Plated Zinc: 2.5% Cu, Balance Zn Weight: 2.500 g Diameter: 0.750 in., 19.05 mm Thickness: 1.55 mm Edge: Plain http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/circulatingCoins/?action=CircPenny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neilestrick 4,289 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 looks like a prank to me. that first pic looks like two different metals and strangely like an electrical connection. braided wire maybe? Ditto. Looks like something was put in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JBaymore Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 looks like a prank to me. that first pic looks like two different metals and strangely like an electrical connection. braided wire maybe? Ditto. Looks like something was put in there. Mistaken identity on the particular test bowls?????? Someone screwing around with the original person's tests as a joke? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neilestrick 4,289 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 looks like a prank to me. that first pic looks like two different metals and strangely like an electrical connection. braided wire maybe? Ditto. Looks like something was put in there. Mistaken identity on the particular test bowls?????? Someone screwing around with the original person's tests as a joke? Could also be accidental. Don't want to be a pessimist, but I have a hard time believing that structure grew out of a coin. Something's fishy here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idaho Potter 64 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 No way a penny could make that much material--not enough to start with. The stuff coming out of the glazed bowl looks like mild rebar (the thinner stuff you can form with your hands) coated with glaze. Something fishy going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Oz 68 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 But its not April yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MariaPolky 1 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Weirdly, and I promise, this is not a prank. The cone 04 was a pile of white fluff and the cone 6 was a softer long thing. The only way to get the hard long thing is if you take it to cone 10. Also this was oxidation, the reduction was not nearly as cool. If you have a kiln and a test tray you should try this and let me know if you had a similar experience I had my critique today, but I'm still pretty confused. A grad student said that when he was in undergrad somebody put a lot of pennies on her sculpture and they all made these wire things, like a fountain. I'm definitely going to keep trying this So this was my testing Another penny in a clear glaze. The cord broke so it's pictured just resting Close up of what happened with just a penny (this cord broke too, so it just reasting next to it's ... I guess root?) and finally this was the penny in reduction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
justanassembler 24 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Weirdly, and I promise, this is not a prank. The cone 04 was a pile of white fluff and the cone 6 was a softer long thing. The only way to get the hard long thing is if you take it to cone 10. Also this was oxidation, the reduction was not nearly as cool. If you have a kiln and a test tray you should try this and let me know if you had a similar experience I had my critique today, but I'm still pretty confused. A grad student said that when he was in undergrad somebody put a lot of pennies on her sculpture and they all made these wire things, like a fountain. I'm definitely going to keep trying this So this was my testing Another penny in a clear glaze. The cord broke so it's pictured just resting Close up of what happened with just a penny (this cord broke too, so it just reasting next to it's ... I guess root?) and finally this was the penny in reduction I believe it has to do with the zinc in the pennies, which can also melt through corderite kiln shelves--I saw this and more happen to a beginning ceramics student in undergrad--I also got to watch the faculty reaction upon seeing a penny melted well into 1" thick kiln shelves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Round2potter 3 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 To anybody who thinks this is REAL. IT IS! i heard that a newish penny would do this and sent one through an 04 glaze fire with almost the exact same result! I did not however put a glaze in it. And Maria, Try splittling the now fired penny into layers! I dropped mine and it split yielding a really shinny and glittery spiral pattern thing. Super cool!!! - Burt MariaPolky 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OffCenter 87 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Damn! Isn't it weird that so many of us who have been potting for centuries didn't know about this! I think of all the weird things I have put in firings from moth balls (not their actual balls, but the chemical pesticide) to deer livers and I never tried a penny! Can't wait to put one in my next firing. Wish I could afford to put a nickel and a dime in, too. Jim ShellS and Rae Reich 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Diane Puckett 41 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 I wonder what one of those trillion dollar titanium coins would do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JBaymore Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Damn! Isn't it weird that so many of us who have been potting for centuries didn't know about this! I think of all the weird things I have put in firings from moth balls (not their actual balls, but the chemical pesticide) to deer livers and I never tried a penny! Can't wait to put one in my next firing. Wish I could afford to put a nickel and a dime in, too. Jim :Dsrc="http://ceramicartsdaily.org/community/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif"> :Dsrc="http://ceramicartsdaily.org/community/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif"> :Dsrc="http://ceramicartsdaily.org/community/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif"> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mregecko 21 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 For what it's worth, good to note that Zinc's boiling point is only ~1650F, and Zinc vapors are mega bad for you... So only do this if your kiln is well ventilated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigDave 4 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 The only way to get the hard long thing is if you take it to cone 10. -MariaPolky Amazing like magic I making a t shirt with your quote above, hope you dont mind Evezamora 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OffCenter 87 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 The only way to get the hard long thing is if you take it to cone 10. -MariaPolky Amazing like magic I making a t shirt with your quote above, hope you dont mind Put me down for one, Big Dave. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MariaPolky 1 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Damn! Isn't it weird that so many of us who have been potting for centuries didn't know about this! I think of all the weird things I have put in firings from moth balls (not their actual balls, but the chemical pesticide) to deer livers and I never tried a penny! Can't wait to put one in my next firing. Wish I could afford to put a nickel and a dime in, too. Jim Since nickels and dimes are mostly copper, they become molten and burn through their clay test trays, so keep the laundry money! Pennies are really the only coins I've found that have amazing results, without burning through anything. (also WHAT happened with deer livers??) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MariaPolky 1 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 For what it's worth, good to note that Zinc's boiling point is only ~1650F, and Zinc vapors are mega bad for you... So only do this if your kiln is well ventilated. Thanks, that's good to know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MariaPolky 1 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 The only way to get the hard long thing is if you take it to cone 10. -MariaPolky Amazing like magic I making a t shirt with your quote above, hope you dont mind haha, that's great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OffCenter 87 Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Damn! Isn't it weird that so many of us who have been potting for centuries didn't know about this! I think of all the weird things I have put in firings from moth balls (not their actual balls, but the chemical pesticide) to deer livers and I never tried a penny! Can't wait to put one in my next firing. Wish I could afford to put a nickel and a dime in, too. Jim Since nickels and dimes are mostly copper, they become molten and burn through their clay test trays, so keep the laundry money! Pennies are really the only coins I've found that have amazing results, without burning through anything. (also WHAT happened with deer livers??) That was 40 years ago so I don't remember but it must not have been anything impressive or I would still remember it. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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