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With various states starting to re-open and I would assume everyone re-opened by June 1 when all the renewed orders have expired I am starting to wonder if in fact we might have shows again late summer through x-mas.

I know there are some artist here that are involved in some of the shows, do any of you have any current information or have committees started talking about it? Would it be worthwhile to start making inquiry's?   

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I've started thinking about how to handle my own holiday open studio. It is normally on the second weekend of December, which is pretty late in the season. If all the fall shows get cancelled, I could

I've been hesitating on posting some of my ideas because the response taken to Covid here in Canada has been very different, and I'm not sure if some of the things that will be working for me will be

We were locked down as a country for the better part of two months, so our Covid numbers dropped quite a bit all through the summer. My socially distanced farmer's market has been one of the best year

1st not all states are reopening -many states like ours are in a slow process of working it out.Second reopening does not mean bingo all is normal-my galleries think it will be August at the soonest to open . If you are in a red state which is green lighting at a rapid rate the answer is maybe on a summer show -maybe a christmas show. If you live where the governor is saying all is well  and this was hoax then maybe the shows may happen. This is a hodgepodge approach state by state

Our state is not one of those  getting back to normal (heavy science driven policies here in Ca) We have a super sharp team on the state level including our Gov. who believes in the science aspects of this.

My Washington early August show has not yet cancelled yet but I feel they will soon.I do not expect any summer shows in the western states to happen .None-Xmas is most likely out as well.Thats my plan  and if its sooner well than I can decide.

The other factor is do you want to go to a show that say has 25% attendance and sales will be super slow?Fees are the same, travel the same ,income -down maybe 75%-this is the new reality as folks will not flock to shows as they are spooked no matter what state you reside in

For me as an over65 year old the other thought is do I want to expose myself to any crowds-even if they are smaller-its a complex process now. I'm not thinking I will want to do a show for some time at least as they say 60% of the population has been exposed to the virus. Everyone has their own threshold of whats good for them. I like the living part of life. 

Shows and reopening are not the same as they all involve gatherings and social distancing will be next to impossible . I think if you live say in Georgia maybe shows will happen next week but out west xmas is a maybe at this point. I;m on a board who runs a fair  on the 3rd weekend in Sept and we expect it will not happen. Most likely the city will decide for us mid summer or the state may just say no as well as they are the top dog in this decision. Our next board meeting (zoom) is in about 3 weeks so I'll know more then.

Our Gov is not going to allow social gatherings (show to happen) I,m sure until until health science says its not huge risk.I Know the Washington Gov and Oregon Gov are all on the same page as they are all in agreements on the reopening.

 

This all said a customer contacted me today as my mother day show that I have done (5 hours drive from here) for about 28 years wants pots as that show is cancelled and I'm now taking some photos of work and sending it out as this is my new norm now. Pots going out every week in boxes all over the country .

I can say that the new normal will be different for quite some time

 

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I agree that even if shows do go ahead, we won't be seeing anywhere near the returns we have in recent years, regardless of political situations in any given area. There are enough people watching the actual science that big crowds of people are going to be unattractive to a lot of folks. It's like being in your first year of business all over again in that we are having to guess at numbers to make projections. I think some careful calculations about what you need to pull in to make any given event are in order, and really asking yourself if pulling that amount is a reasonable expectation in the current circumstances. If you can't break even, and I mean cover all your expenses and not just making your booth fee back, you need to give the show a pass and find another way. Keep your overhead low.

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Yeah I do see all of that but the one thing that gives me pause is that they have apparently 6-7 vaccines that have hit trials (many are human trials ) which means they work in the labs and the feds (US) are covering the cost of ramping up production of all of them for national distribution with right now the target as January so that the winner can be quickly distributed.

If one of them clearly works I just don't see them holding off on a working vaccine that has already been produced in mass quantities until January, just don't. Not debating whether they should, I just don't see this administration doing that. I mean over the last month everything right down to injecting bleach has been floated out so I see them maybe waiting a few months tops and if they have one that is clearly preventing covid-19 and not killing people b4 they will roll it out.

Again this is not intended as a political statement and things that clearly appear they will never happen do and from what I have seen of this admin I think they will go all in quickly on anything that clearly works and it may be crystal clear by mid summer that they have a winner.  Obviously the next hurdle would be how many folks want it after it has been rushed out but if the science of the trials is compelling enough and a lot of the respected health experts sign off on it then I wouldn't be surprised at wide acceptance and even having an x-mas season feeling kind of safe.

Me I'm a democratic socialist that would have voted for Bernie if he had made it so I have lots of opinions but I also want to be a realist and If the above happens then being signed up or at least on a bunch of lists might make sense and save our x-mas sales and nothing worse than already planned happens from being ready to go if it does.  Maybe they just go back to the folks signed up before they cancelled but like Mark says there may be plenty that don't want to do shows regardless so there may be slots open. Maybe just stay in the under $500 close to home shows so you can decline if you want. Probably just waiting list right now anyway but I think I am going to move on it and see if I can find a few to sign up for or waiting list to be added to. 

 

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In terms of applications-I see no reason not to sign up-My guess is yes there will be more open spots as folks like me do not sign up (I have not signed up for a new show in over 20 years)

If the show does not happen the $ comes back. I have said all along do sign up as you have nothing to loose but some funds on a short term deal. As the shows cancel the money flows back to you  or you get a choice to do the show next year and skip the jury process. thats what I have seen so far.

I have two summer show that have yet to cancel but I have zero hope of them happening. the fall show same deal .I have only my own private xmas show and thats a maybe as well.Its more of a maybe as its a situtaion that  only a few customers are there at a time and 99% of sales are done by others-who knows what that time will be like now.

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23 hours ago, Mark C. said:

I see no reason not to sign up-My guess is yes there will be more open spots as folks like me do not sign up

I'm going to try add some winter markets to make up for what's been cancelled this summer but not expecting it to be a normal season by any means. One thing I'm going to be looking really carefully at is the cancellation policy. For my summer markets I've lost 10% as the organizers are not refunding full amounts, not ideal but not that bad. A friend of mine sent me a link to the Penticton Farmers Market (town in BC interior), they cancelled all markets and are only refunding 50%. They say they have a no refund policy and even though they are the ones cancelling it they are keeping half the funds. If there is an option to pay by credit card then you could go through the card company to file for a chargeback but I would think that the organizers won't let you back in if you did this. 

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I wouldn't bet on any shows this year as a solid business plan. Even if they happen, they're not going to have the attendance that they would have had in the past. June shows? Nope. All of mine have cancelled, as have many July shows (and I expect more soon) and even an August show. Just because things get open doesn't mean that they will be 'OPEN'.  Open won't necessarily mean 10,000 people walking shoulder to shoulder at a special event. I'm thinking that I won't even be able to hold my classes at their full capacity of 10 students for quite a while.

I've heard of a few shows that aren't giving refunds. They call it an 'Act of God' as defined in their small print, no different than cancelling because of a flood or a hurricane, so they keep the money. I think it's really bad PR for them, though. Artists always have to take on 100% of the risk doing shows, and it's not fair. I could see the show not giving everything back if they've already spent money on advertising or other things, but to keep all the profits as well is bad karma. All of my shows have given full refunds so far, which is good because that money and hotel refunds will pay my rent for a month that I'm closed.

At this point I'm just hoping to keep classes going  as much as possible once the state opens back up. Kiln repair work is always slow during the summer since schools are closed, but there will be some. But any income that comes from shows will be pure bonus, not expected.

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I help organize a Holiday Market.  Always the first weekend in December.  I have been talking to the other organizers and we are brainstorming.  Fewer vendors, larger spaces, hand sanitizer at each booth, set up booths in order to be behind your set ups.....I don't know.  We will just have to see how this plays out.  We still only have 6 cases in our county, but with things beginning to open up and everyone getting antsy, we may see more positive cases.  Or not!  We just don't know.  However, we have our applications out in July.  We will definitely have a very equitable cancellation policy this year.  We usually have a deadline for cancellation, not sure if we will do that this year or not....

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Wow keeping the money-thats just not fair or ethical. Maybe if they rolled it to next years booth fee but outright keeping it.I only have two fairs that are prepaid in the future-one is $600 -doulbe both the other show  is $280 and I'm on the board and we already decided before taking any money in that we would refund 100% if we cancel  and put that in the application .Its the right move for everyone.Not everyone belives in God so its a scam to keep the funds  on that note-yes weather happens we all get that.

The show with the $600 fee  is a 10% percentage show for local schools and art projects so keeping the $ will shoot them in the foot I feel.Ethics mean a lot to me and that would be a future deal breaker for me. I get to pick and choose who gets my $$ and they always make over 1k from me in percentage.Of course they may be heartless and not care-you never know.They did move me once against their own rules so It could be over for me there.It almost was once before. due to this move I became aware that the new director was not as community minded as the old one. This business we are all going thru either brings out the best in folks or sometimes the worse.

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I have one organization that pushed fees from the cancelled spring shows to fall, but there’s no word what will happen with the fall fees, which were also paid recently.  Everyone else has refunded fully. 
The billing for  the November and December big shows that I do is coming up soon. I may opt to use the payment plan they offer instead of paying in full like I usually do. And I want to know what the cancellation policies are in advance. Although I have to give major props to Signatures: they’re the largest show operators in Canada, and they have been absolutely amazing in how promptly they handled everything. Thousands of refunds were processed very quickly as soon as it was apparent that shows were cancelled, or couldn’t be postponed. 

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I have one show that was postponed to June 20-21 that has not been cancelled yet. I still made pots so I have enough inventory for it. Not because I think it will happen, but because I think it is my professional obligation, until I hear otherwise.

Two out of three of my July shows have been cancelled. So I am still making enough pots for the third show. Again, I don’t expect it to happen, but who the heck knows. 

As has been pointed out by Mark, finished pots do not go bad, so there is no downside to having extra stock. 

As for fall and holiday shows, I think it is reasonable to plan as if they are going to happen. I’m keeping my thoughts about this fluid, of course. If they happen, there will be lots of changes. I plan on having a big touchless dispenser filled with hand sanitizer in my display. My greeting will become “Hi! If you want to touch any pots, please sanitize your hands first (while pointing at dispenser).” I expect everyone will be glad to comply with that. The hard part about this idea is that hand sanitizer is so hard to find right now. I also plan to use an alternate arrangement of my display, which is smaller and pushed towards the front of the booth. This will give me more space behind the display to keep my distance as much as possible. A smaller display is fine because there will be fewer customers anyways. But based on how people are flocking to beaches and shopping malls this week, I don’t expect the art festivals to be ghost towns. I own two N95 masks, which my brother sent me out of his California earthquake preparedness kit. I am saving them for shows. They do not have an exhalation valve, so they will protect me from others, and protect others from me. 

I am planning to apply for one or two extra shows for the fall,. I usually try to keep my November schedule easy, so I can stock up for my December open studio, but this year I plan to have extra stock piled up. I’m still deciding on which shows. and cancellation policy is a big factor for me too. 

This is my thinking for now. But I am following the data everyday, and I don’t consider anything to be decided. 

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I was working on a booth redesign that was coincidentally all in front of the booth the week before everything shut down. Seems like a lifetime ago. I had meant it to be for some of the small shows so the display would look abundant and professional with less stuff and less setup involved, but I suppose it has added benefits now. 

As far as hand sanitizer goes, many of the local craft breweries here have switched some of their tanks over to producing hand sanitizer. It’s been easier to get it from there than from the more typical places you’d find it. Help keep your local favourites in business too. 

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In my province they've said no conventions until there is a vaccine, community immunity, or effective treatment protocols. Farmer's markets are happening (outside), and there are some outdoor christmas markets that might happen, but the major indoor ones likely won't this year.

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not in Texas. Texas cities and small towns have what they call trading days once a month. The practice dates back to the 1800's where once a month everyone from the countryside came into the city center or county seat from the countryside with whatever they wanted to sell or buy. It was also when the clerks made the rounds to record things sold and such.

Many of them are really just big flea markets but some of the ones in areas that have lots of tourist are more upscale and run more like an art fair with a jury in process for local artist. Here where I am they had the may 3rd weekend show  just sent out announcements that they are  having a bonus show next weekend. Rest of summer shows on the calendar so I think they are planning on just doing all of them.

We are not going to do them though. May don a mask and check out the bonus show just to see how they are handling it. My guess is we will just move on as so far everyone around here seems to want to just act like everything is back to normal with number of people wearing mask seeming to be low. I get the want but don't share the sentiment. 

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Must be this one?  https://www.firstmondaycanton.com/

Yeah they are having an event May 28 to May 30.  Two of my friends have permanent booths there.   And a lot of booths are inside too.   

My area has rescheduled this event   June 27th        https://www.kicks96news.com/local/square-affair-vendor-applications-being-accepted

I think some shows are going to come back this summer, with restrictions.   Of course some states and areas are going to prohibit them.  I'm advisor to two large events, one at end of July and the other one in October.   And the plan now is to go ahead.  They are definitely not waiting on a vaccine.  I'm questioning the July event ... it's huge (not naming it here because there is already a lot of controversy.)   But I think it will happen.   One person on the board  said "they can't stop us, this is private property".  I rolled my eyes and said "almost everything is on private property."   I'm not a health expert, only there as a marketing advisor.    Shockingly, there are a lot of event goers that don't seem to care.    I'm still floundered that only about 55% of Americans are going to get the vaccine.     General attitude here is that older consumers are very concerned.    Younger, not nearly so much.   I won't go into some of the comments I've heard ............

My store reopened April 23.   I'll post results at month's end.   

 

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Younger, not nearly so much. 

yeah the younger crowd is out in force around here. We ventured out to diner on Wednesday but lack of mask is concerning. In the place we went the server and other people in place didn't have any on. It was slow but the server was chatty and if he had I'm sure we do now. Chance of getting it from someone with a mask on is apparently 3% but goes to 70% without one.  We've decided to call ahead from here on out and make sure servers have mask. They seem to be the highest risk.

No its not the canton one but I think all/most of these around Texas are going to mostly do the rest of their scheduled shows but interesting to see 2 doing catch-up shows. Hell our Lt Governor paid the fine of a business that opened against his own order so I don't think the state is going to get in anyone's way..  

We are going to just concentrate on getting some more wholesale accounts and work on product development while this thing works itself out. Sitting in a booth with a mask on all weekend and dealing with all the risk of hundreds of people coming and going, mostly without mask just seems like a bad idea for a couple of 60 year olds.

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I think we're going to see a lot of spikes in infection rates in about 3 weeks.

The one show I had hopes of happening this year, a studio tour in northern Wisconsin in October, is strongly considering cancelling. They're going to wait a couple of week and see how things go with everything starting to open back up, but it doesn't look promising. I won't have any hard feelings if they do cancel, though.

My shop reopens on Tuesday, and I'm freaking out a bit. I'm working on getting my classes sorted out and down to 7 wheels per class, which will give us good spacing in the studio and room to move without being on top of each other. Masks will be required, of course. The difficult part will be limiting my contact with the students, as I often need to jump in and get my hands on their clay to fix problems, especially with the beginners. They're going to have to suffer through the learning process more than in the past. My biggest worry is if a students tests positive for Covid, because then I have to close again for two weeks since I will have been exposed. 

Some friends of mine own an organic farm, and they are not setting up at the big farmers market they usually do. Instead they're taking orders and having people pick up from their truck outside the market. Their CSA is going strong, so I think they're doing okay over all.

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21 minutes ago, neilestrick said:

Masks will be required, of course.

Hey good luck! Ya know from everything I read the mask will/may make all the difference. Even if one of your students becomes infected you and everyone else may escape getting it. It's that couple of days that people have it before they get sick that is the problem because they have no idea.

Is it possible for you to go to a testing place and get one of the fast test should one of your students get it and avoid the two week closure if you get exposed?

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Hey good luck! Ya know from everything I read the mask will/may make all the difference. Even if one of your students becomes infected you and everyone else may escape getting it. It's that couple of days that people have it before they get sick that is the problem because they have no idea.

Is it possible for you to go to a testing place and get one of the fast test should one of your students get it and avoid the two week closure if you get exposed?

I've thought about the testing route, but I don't know how soon after exposure the testing actually works. I'll have to look into that. Like if I'm exposed, get a test and it's negative, but it's just not prevalent enough in my system to show up in the test, and 3 days later it blossoms and I'm totally contagious? I also don't know if I can even get a test without having symptoms. And a nurse I know said they're getting about 30% false negatives at the hospital where she works. So many questions....

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 (Shockingly, there are a lot of event goers that don't seem to care. )

Same is true for many promoters

This is true in many parts of the country

I voted on our board ( last week for our local show) to not have the show-the vote was unanimous - we put on a show on a 3rd weekend in Sept  (not a flea market)-it was going to be our 47 annual.

We realized we could not do it safely for the community. Its all about the safety of the community-not profit or greed

The other side is weather one wants to go to a puplic gathering-I myself do not want to attend. There are just to many stupid people who are clueless.

On a side note business is picking up sales wise in the suoer markets-one of my gallerys is now open for 3 customers at a time in the large store with one way isles.

In our county you have to certify to be able to open (meet certain requirements in retail)

Masks are required for all employees and business can impose a mask wearing rule on the patrons  in that business but thats up to the owners.All responsible businesses require masks around here.

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On 5/29/2020 at 12:04 AM, DirtRoads said:

 

My area has rescheduled this event   June 27th        https://www.kicks96news.com/local/square-affair-vendor-applications-being-acceptedI

 

Well ... they had this event Saturday.   Found out today that someone who had gone to the event tested positive for covid today.     I know they had light symptoms on Saturday.     No idea if other people will get it from this contact.  This does it for me ....... I won't go to anything in crowds until Covid is gone or they have a vaccine.  Another 8 day event that was scheduled for the end of July has been cancelled.    Someone saw me at a meeting, spread this around and both my brother and myself have gotten calls telling me to "vote" yes to have the event.    I've told them I was just a consultant for some marketing, nothing to do with having the event.   Some of these calls got very aggressive insisting I vote yes .... my brother and me telling them I don't "vote".

It's pretty clear to me there won't be events this fall.

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Yes crowds-events are out for me as well.

I still have a show in NV in October that has yet to pull the plug . Just waiting for them to see the light.

They have a plan B plan for new dates in March (really really bad idea) (the show has never been in march) and if those dates do not work for you you will be able to roll the fees into 2020 fall show (57th annual)but that is all based on if they cannot be in phase 4 and the govertnor says no to show-right now its show is on until notified.Its a 950 mile one way for me to drive to.

This is a non-profit show run for a local Hospital as a fundraiser -which is insane not to cancel now and let it go for one year.Its a hostpital they should get it? Now they are spending money and time working towards a show that most likely not happen and is unsafe for the community if it does go down.

I'm not going no mater what happens-may cost me $500 but oh-well I will live for another show in the future.

I sent them my 2 cents already and was told its full speed ahead until the governor says no.

Titanic lookout says hey captain there is a iceberg dead ahead-He says more speed and stay the course.Seems this may be some new norm??

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