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I'm getting close to ordering my first kiln ( eyeing Cone Art ).  I was wondering if folks that had  used the Genesis controller were happy with them... any issues? Any software bugs... or complaints about the user interface?  Any fried controllers that had to be replaced yet?

Suzy

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I love my Genesis! I'm also testing their mobile app. It's just for monitoring the firing, not programming, but that's a good thing-I don't really want my kiln to get hacked. At some point they'll have alerts to your phone if the controller puts up an error code. The best thing about the Genesis is how easy it is to do custom programs. You can see the whole program on the screen at once, instead of just one step at a time, and you can change any part of it without having to scroll through the entire program. You can also do a lot more steps and store a lot more programs, and you can put a name to each program, instead of just a number.

Touch screens with wi-fi are the biggest change to happen to kiln controllers in 20+ years. It's a cheap upgrade when you buy the kiln ($125 with L&L, not sure what it is with ConeArt), especially if you math it out over the 20 year life of the kiln. They'll be standard equipment in a couple of years, and buying it as a replacement later will cost you $300.

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I really like my Genesis. I bought it direct from Bartlett and built my own external wall-hung controller with it. The additional features and ease of use over the earlier V6-CF are worth the extra cost. The only thing I don't like about it is that Bartlett doesn't seem to have any idea how the customer side of a software company operates, in that they don't offer any information about the changes that are in each firmware update. The version number of the user document on their website can only be determined by the download filename, not printed on the cover page, and is an older version than was most recently installed, and thus I have no clue what new features are being installed in my controller when it updates itself other than a page-by-page line-by-line comparison of this document vs. the last one I happened to have collected.

Neil, what can you tell us about the availability of this new mobile app?

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15 hours ago, Dick White said:

I really like my Genesis. I bought it direct from Bartlett and built my own external wall-hung controller with it. The additional features and ease of use over the earlier V6-CF are worth the extra cost. The only thing I don't like about it is that Bartlett doesn't seem to have any idea how the customer side of a software company operates, in that they don't offer any information about the changes that are in each firmware update. The version number of the user document on their website can only be determined by the download filename, not printed on the cover page, and is an older version than was most recently installed, and thus I have no clue what new features are being installed in my controller when it updates itself other than a page-by-page line-by-line comparison of this document vs. the last one I happened to have collected.

Neil, what can you tell us about the availability of this new mobile app?

Just like cell phones! I never know what's happening when my phone updates. I'm betting that 99.9% of the controllers Bartlett sells are sold to the kiln manufacturers, who all have their own manuals. This updating stuff is new to them. It would be nice if they maintained an update list on their web site.

The app won't be available for public use for another couple of weeks. They're shooting for November 1st.

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Sounds like a winner.   Thx for the responses. Cool that the phone app is getting close. Sure would be nice if they would expose the software interface the mobile app uses so folks could create their own monitoring software, or hook it up as a home automation trigger (ex: if the kiln throws an error, flash the overhead lights in the house )

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I bought a Genesis controller as an upgrade to my Bartlett V6-CF.  The first firing with it just did what ever it wanted and overfired everything.  I called Bartlett Co. and their Technician was only  interested in proving their was nothing wrong with the controller, it was my programing.  Finally after firing twice more with just shelves and posts and cones in the kiln I pulled the controller and put the original V6-CF back in and fired a load of pots successfully.   Today I called Bartlett to return the controller, and was put thru to Dave Bartlett, he said a lot of upgrades had been made on the firmware and would I put it back in and he would step me thru it.  This afternoon I called him again and had put it back in.  First I had taken down the information on the controller, He said that was the newest version, and after much talking back and forth of what I was seeing, he said he wanted to check one more thing.  He talked me through how to get to the PID and the setting was at 1 he said change it to 18 and he thought that would solve the problem.   I am now firing the kiln with shelves  and it seems to be following the setpoint like it should.   This PID setting in my manual says don't change without askiing the kiln Mfg. 

David 

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Hey. I have been having discussions about the Genesis controller and realized that you can extract your firing data. I plotted my last three firings in R to compare them against each other. It is pretty amazing how accurate the kiln fires. One of these loads was practically empty and they are still all almost exactly the same. The offset on one of the graphs is from a hold.

I just thought I would post this here so you guys can track this as well if you want. I am going to chart each firing onto this graph so I can notice the differences in firing increases. I haven't figured out how I am going to offset the holds, but I know I can do it in R by offsetting the plot by the minutes of hold. I will figure that out later, but I just wanted share how cool this is. I love my controller. It is so awesome. Nothing like being able to check what ramp you're on via your cell phone.

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The Genesis controller has many great features.   My experience with it did not end up good and I returned it and they gave me a full refund.  As Dick White said they give no information as to what  some of there software changes mean to how it will react.  I felt like I was doing there testing in the field for them and that  this should have been done  before it left the factory. I finally gave up when they tried to convince me that the cycling was due to stray coming in on the thermocouple even though I kept telling them the old V6 worked perfectly.  I now have an industrial controller that is 100% better and a setup where I can monitor firing on my computer and  go back and review firings and just measure how long they take to see if there is a change in element s that require  replacing them.  I also changed over to solid state relays, no clicking of relays and a much longer life span on SSR"s with a tighter control.

David

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6 hours ago, David Woodin said:

The Genesis controller has many great features.   My experience with it did not end up good and I returned it and they gave me a full refund.  As Dick White said they give no information as to what  some of there software changes mean to how it will react.  I felt like I was doing there testing in the field for them and that  this should have been done  before it left the factory. I finally gave up when they tried to convince me that the cycling was due to stray coming in on the thermocouple even though I kept telling them the old V6 worked perfectly.  I now have an industrial controller that is 100% better and a setup where I can monitor firing on my computer and  go back and review firings and just measure how long they take to see if there is a change in element s that require  replacing them.  I also changed over to solid state relays, no clicking of relays and a much longer life span on SSR"s with a tighter control.

David

Glad you found something that you're happy with.

The firing time won't be any longer until the elements are so worn that they can't put out enough heat to keep up with the firing schedule. Prior to that point, the controller will simply cycle the relays more often or for longer periods to keep up with the schedule. It may be that by the time the firing is actually slower, the elements are beyond where they should have been replaced. Or maybe not. I don't know. But until you do know, keep testing them with an ohm meter to be sure of their condition.

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Hi... the D-pads have different mechanisms in them. The stiffer ones push down directly on the PCB, while the one with more roll/throw to it is attached to a stem that goes through a hole in the PCB and attaches to another piece which presses up on the back of the PCB! These pads are far better in my opinion, this is the best way to make a D-pad and feels much better to play games with, my one is permanently plugged into my Amiga.

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On 10/19/2017 at 5:49 PM, Suzyq said:

I'm getting close to ordering my first kiln ( eyeing Cone Art ).  I was wondering if folks that had  used the Genesis controller were happy with them... any issues? Any software bugs... or complaints about the user interface?  Any fried controllers that had to be replaced yet?

Suzy

Hi Suzy, 

On my new Olympic 10 cubic foot kiln the controller is factory set to turn off if it get too hot(160 degrees) This feature is not mentioned in the manual and I couldn’t find it online. My first 2 cone 7 firings were interrupted several times resulting in over firing, because it spent so much time above 2000.  The suggest fix is to put a fan on it to cool the controller!!
I called the kiln manufacturer and they showed me how to change the top hot number to 200 degrees.  It fired normally last night, but kept me checking it for hours near the end.  I am amazed that this kiln controller is mounted in such a way  that it gets too hot!!  It’s a kiln, it get hot! Other manufacturers have wall mount options or at least the controls are not attached to the kiln.   
as far as the app is concerned it’s handy to check current temps and when it’s complete or in error. But that’s about it, no record of firings, no other features.  So just be aware the controller will turn off if it gets hot unless the “hot point” is set higher.

good luck!!

erik 

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59 minutes ago, Erik Hertz said:

I am amazed that this kiln controller is mounted in such a way  that it gets too hot!!

Most manufactures, especially today provide isolation and vents for airflow to keep these below 160. If the area where the kiln is  becomes  hot though, they really only have hot air to try and cool themselves. Perhaps the area your kiln is in overheats a bit at top temperatures and could use some ventilation. The Bartlett controller has a board temp parameter see the technical manual, it’s called max board temp and in the hidden menu. I mention this because it’s obviously getting more than 160 degrees, reducing this ambient temperature will likely extend the life of your kiln controls, relays, Control wiring etc....

here is a link to the manuals: https://www.bartinst.com/manuals/kiln

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2 hours ago, Erik Hertz said:

I am amazed that this kiln controller is mounted in such a way  that it gets too hot!!  

Usually when I see controllers shutting down from heat it's because the room space is not being adequately vented and cooled. If the room is vented properly it should not be an issue. If you can't change how the room is vented, then aiming a fan at the controller is the only thing that will cool it down.

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