Evelyne Schoenmann Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Hi everybody I apologize! I was so excited that my hubby drove me to my Italian studio last Tuesday, and that I could mount and descent a few stairs with my broken-then-fixed-foot, that I (shame on me) forgot the QOTW. Mea culpa! We do an easy one this rest of the week, ok? Are you afraid of working with porcelain? Tell us about your first porcelain throwing, your experience, your tips and hints for beginners etc. Thank you and have a good rest of the week and a wonderful weekend Evelyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Glad to hear you are progressing with your foot. I love porcelain. I don't mind going back to other clays like raku or stoneware of terra cotta, but my favorite is Coleman porcelain of ^6 Frost. next to them is Nara ^6 and ^10. I am about to try babu porcelain. On my way back from NCECA I plan to pick up some ^6 porcelain at Archie Bray. testing the local supply sources. When I was a Junior in college in 1968,I made up a porcelain body and threw a teapot with over the top handle. It slumped in the ^9 firing to give it a very "relaxed" posture. My mother kept it for years. She thought it was very funny. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 love porcelain, used tom coleman and went to two workshops with him and elaine. cannot fire to that temp so i gave it up except for exceptional circumstances. have some frost and hope to use it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I use it in my alternative firings. I usually don't fire to ^10 unless I am involved with a wood-firing, ...like this coming April. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta12 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I really like porcelain as well. I liked nara 5 the very best but have now fallen in love with #16 from Laguna. I use it for handbuilding and throwing!!! Just loooovvvveee that smooth stuff!!! Roberta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdobay Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I have been throwing porcelain since I started. Love the purity of it and the creaminess.. I as my skills develop I uses less and less water and are now able to throw more complex forms, but still are humbled by its complexity lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhPotter Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I touched it, once. It felt like plumber's putty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewV Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I have a box of it that I haven't used yet. I guess I am afraid of the white gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Longer Member Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 No, but I find thoughts of Vanilla Ice very disturbing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazenerd Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 I spent the first seven years working with porcelain: it was the clay I started with. Did not use stoneware until I bought a wheel late last summer. So stoneware is the oddball to me; and porcelain more user friendly. I like making my own porcelain: Translucency anyone? Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What? Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 After two years of potting I really started to experiment with all kinds of clay. Actually I wanted my work to look like I had been doing it for 20 years or so. There are no magic tools or clay unfortunately. I did not mind porcelain at the time other than it was not very forgiving. I have a heavy hand so what I found was the clay has to be just at the right stage to alter, trim, attach, etc... I quite frankly did not have the time or the patience to work with this clay body and set it aside. Being urged by Tom Coleman to use porcelain for my functional wares was a big part of this. It is only very recently that I resumed working in porcelain. I love it! Having good skill sets I feel has helped a lot in working with it. The cost of material is two to three times the cost of stoneware in my area. The glazes look so much better. I cant help myself to place it on my cheek. Sooooooo Smmooooth. I have not attempted any sectional pieces yet but I imagine they would be successful. I also have noticed the trend of porcelain being used is rising over the last decade. At least from what I see published and posted. Maybe other potters with a lot more experience can confirm this? It also seems to command a higher price that is not proportional to the cost in materials. Maybe this is just how I see it. I plan on sticking with porcelain for a great while. I will not agree that is throws like cream cheese. That has not been my experience from the several types I've thrown with. It is a fabulous clay body to work with. If you have the ability to run porcelain in your studio/workspace give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bciskepottery Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 White gold -- fool's gold. I mostly use slaked down porcelain as a slip. Have thrown some to say I've done so. Stoneware guy, here . . . preferably dark colored clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeU Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 I ain't scared. I rarely throw and am not exploring translucency yet, so my comments are specific to how I work. I use Cool Ice (^6) and love-love-love to bend it and crack it and carve on it and put holes in it and cut it and rip it and stamp it and leave it either raw or with just clear glaze, though it takes the commercial glazes I use (Coyote/Laguna/Amaco) just beautifully. Lately, I am fixated on simple white pieces, stamped, for things like business card/letter holders, pendants, and of course incense cone holders. Attached is one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiselleNo5 Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 I think porcelain is beautiful and glazes look incredible on it, but I'm personally drawn to working with dark, earthy, rustic clay bodies so I don't see myself working with porcelain any time soon. The only reason I've ever even tried throwing with it is that my dad decided he wanted to learn to throw (from day one) using only porcelain. It was so hard for him. And so I thought I would throw a few things that he could glaze because he helps me out all the time, he builds things, has helped me set up my studio, lends me equipment. The list of how I could not run my business without my dad is endless. I even fire in his kilns. I felt pretty confident that I could throw porcelain. I did not wedge it. I used tons of water. It was horrible. Looking back it is hilarious that I approached it so unprepared but I really had no idea that what I was doing was stupid. I had been throwing with stoneware clay that was very tolerant, cutting it off the fresh block and skipping the wedge, slopping on huge handfuls of water, and I was succeeding doing this. To come up against porcelain was a rude awakening. I was sweating and foaming at the mouth after throwing four pieces successfully and scrapping another four. Later someone described throwing porcelain with too much water as "throwing with cream cheese" which was hilariously accurate, and they explained that you want to use as little water as possible. They also explained the importance of wedging. Still, until something changes about my work to give me a reason to work with porcelain, I don't plan to use it. There's no draw for me. But two years ago I thought I was going to make all my designs in white clay and now 75% of my work is in any color but white, so ... you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiselleNo5 Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Oh, I completely forgot that I am fascinated by the translucence and I have thought about playing with slip-cast porcelain. I have read about "rice" porcelain and I want to try it for candle holders. See, what did I tell you. Never say never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelyne Schoenmann Posted March 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Hi everybody It is interesting that most of us like porcelain: the translucency, the whiteness, the "haughtiness" (sic!), but that quite a few are reluctant to try. I myself came late in my ceramist life to throw with porcelain. I was throwing stoneware and loved it. I always heard saying that throwing porcelain is like throwing Mozzarella, or like "cream cheese" (haha Giselle!), so I didn't try it for a long time. When I finally started to throw with porcelain it was with Southern Ice, the Australian porcelain, and it was love at first site! Since then porcelain is my favorite material and, like Marcia, I also pit fire porcelain objects. Southern Ice is for high fire, Cool Ice is for cone 6, but it's not the same throwing with Cool Ice instead of Southern Ice! Yes to all the tip and tricks I've read here: don't use too much water (and put some vinegar in the water!). Let the object dry very slowly. Turn the object every day while drying. Kiln: go up vey slow. For all the ones that never tried it: have faith, have courage, try it just the once, just for the fun of it! Happy weekend! Evelyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 It must be wonderful to have studios in both Switzerland and Italy. I have a bit of stoneware to go through yet and plan on buying some porcelain with my next clay purchase. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakukuku Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Well I am strictly a hand builder and sculptor of animal figures. I used to raku a lot so porcelain was only for small figures and I could get plenty white with b mix with grog. But lately I am high firing most stuff and the b mix has a grayish tone in reduction and I like a more pure white. Not for translucency - just using under glazes and clear or other glazes, all at cone 10. So I have started using Dave's porcelain from Laguna. My pieces are all pinched and hand formed and I abuse my clay a lot - pushing it around and changing positions of part of it to get what I want. The B mix accepts this easily. Porcelain not so much but the Dave's does it about the best. But I still have to be more careful and really dry slow to avoid cracking. So I guess I am not scared of it but respectful and cautious. I still like the feeling of the b mix better We do have a new opaque white glaze called Butter White that may get me what I want on the b mix. We shall see. If anybody knows a good porcelain for hand building I'd love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Campbell Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I use Laguna's Frost for my workshops ... it is pretty forgiving for the rushed work of building/drying/firing in a week long workshop so that recommends it pretty well as a hand building porcelain. For translucency though, it's hard to beat my "Diva" clay ... Southern Ice. Not a clay to be hurried or ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I *can* work wth porcelain, and I fully appreciate the aesthetics of it. I just prefer working with clay that feels like ...clay. I love the things that iron does, and I like working with the properties inherent in my material, rather than against them. I want to embrace the grit and the beauty in "impurities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I *can* work wth porcelain, and I fully appreciate the aesthetics of it. I just prefer working with clay that feels like ...clay. I love the things that iron does, and I like working with the properties inherent in my material, rather than against them. I want to embrace the grit and the beauty in "impurities." Yeah, like you Diesel, I prefer working with something I can feel, not butter. My experience with porcelain in limited, but the times I worked with it, it almost felt . . . greasy. I guess I like a little tooth, but not so much as the 50% grog raku clay I worked with in the 70's. best, Pres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Fireborn Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I have thrown a lot of porcelain, but I always go back to a brown stoneware. Just like the final product better, closer to what I love, it isn't superior or inferior in any way. It is just different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JBaymore Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I have never yet made a piece out of porcelain that I felt was really successful. The pristine refinement of the material and the purity of the white just do not seem to mesh with the geologic and metamorphic aesthetic I am trying to capture. And like other's here .... I do not like the "touch" of the clay in my hands. That being said... I do use porcelain for the lids of my chaire (tea ceremony matcha containers).. Keeps me away from ivory. I can make it work for the lids. The white and smoothness gives me a nice bit of contrast to the usual stoneware. LOVE many porcelain works ....made by others. best, .................john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I can see that in your work , John. Nice mature response in understanding oneself. I like that. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 LOVE many porcelain works ....made by others. best, .................john Yes to that, I really love to see the purity of the white with some translucency. There are several porcelain artists out there that seem to own the clay, one comes to mind is Martha Grover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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