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Yeah, I'm not saying that 3d printed stuff is ugly, I'm saying it's lazy, it's missing something. Even that example you posted looks like it was designed by a computer. Because it was.

If that's the case, why does the printed one still look empty.

There may be some truth to that, but I also believe the entire thing is lazy. And you're also misinformed about materials. In the beginning it was 3d printed plastic masters that were made into plaster molds, and this process is still used quite a bit because it's simple for mass production (which is the goal). And then things moved into "diy" extruder clay bodies loaded into hoppers. Now there are actual systems designed to the point where you don't need to know anything about the material. So you buy a white mix or a red mix or whatever, mix and load. I've seen someone answer the question "is that porcelain or stoneware" with "I have no idea". I mean come on. But yeah. As things progress, you'll be able to print fired ceramic without the use of a kiln. And as things progress further you'll subscribe to a bed bath and beyond monthly furniture kit where your home printer just prints out a new set of dinnerware every month or a new vase, or whatever. No involvement with any sort of artist or creator. It's coming! But the machines will be the hero, not the designer.

Yes, because you can tell someone made the crappy heart shaped pinch pot, and you can tell that someone did not make the printed one. I'm not talking about the print lines or resolution of the print, I'm talking about even when the lines are sanded off, you can still instinctively tell it was printed.

Here's how. Grab a cylinder object, balloon it out here and there with a couple clicks, add some library shapes or whatever and voila, a masterpiece right? But you didn't do anything to any material, right? You can't bend a wheel thrown or slab built piece like you can virtually with a couple clicks, clay doesn't work like that. So without any worries about materials for the design, etc, you can print an object that would take actual careful thought and skill to make "in real life". I think in your head you open a 3d design software and you are building something from the ground up or something. It's not like that. It's so much easier and simple. Anyway, I will have this goofy point of view until I see something 3d printed that isn't mimicking something better. I reckon the temptation is just too high to use the vast libraries of premade and scanned 3d objects that are out there. I will not bow to our robot overlords! Haha, nah I just see printed stuff on Instagram and reddit and think wow that's just lazy, but I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone who has been using the software casually/professionally for a while. Think of just drawing a smiley face on a piece of paper and then someone else turns it into clay, that's about as much as you need to know. Who is the artist? The machine?

You actually don't need any skill at design to make 3d printed ceramics, Niel. I do this at work every day, i am sorry to say but there is extremely little skill involved in both designing and printing 3d objects. You can, of course, become skillful, but just like the efficiency in printing, the efficiency in design is also present. In the fledgling days of 3d modelling and printing there was a lot of technical skill involved, now most of it has been abstracted away. Too lazy to be considered work, too automatic to be considered art. I see it every day, it's what I do.

Cheaper, faster, more efficient throwaway garbage for your walls, I can't wait!

Lol gross, but I think you get what I meant.

I'd argue that ansel adams raised ansel adams into art form. There has been no ansel adams since, unless you count anne geddes? I'm not even slightly an art snob, I know almost nothing about art from an institutional point. But 3d printing isn't even a craft, it's outsourcing the craft to a machine, entirely. And if you think people will pay for designs to 3d print you're delusional. Once something is on the internet, it will be freely had forever. It's already a big problem. And that harkens back to the ikea art which 3d printed clay already resembles. Who cares if it can be had by anyone, no soul.

Haha, but what would be the point of programming humanity into 3d printed clay? To make creativity more economic? It doesn't make any sense to me.

I think 3D printed pottery is hokey and ugly. I have yet to see a 3d printed ceramic that expresses anything, it all just looks cold and commercial. I understand there are many popular 3d printed artists out there, but 3d modelling on a computer is all about efficiency and I think something gets lost in the process. It's the new kitschy 80s slipcast craze reimagined. There is technology which helps an artist create, and then there is technology that abstracts the artist away from creating. There's also the issue where to make the 3d model worth the designers time, it has to be recreated over and over, exactly the same. I go to IKEA for that type of artwork! I know, I know, I'm gonna get a lot of flack for saying that. But the proof is in the pudding. Compare hammerly ceramics and petrified forest potteries work. Some is quite similar in style, but you can spot instantly, instinctively which has been printed and which is an original work.

Since air is so thin when it's past say 1000 degrees, is there really much convection happening? I have a feeling a kiln with a vent is 1000 times more efficient since there's no draft in an electric kiln. Is that right? Or is the gas exchange not really that significant in an electric kiln. I've never had carbon coring or anything in an electric kiln, regardless of peep arrangement.

Keep in mind that gold lustres also contain a strong flux, so if glass is slumping at 018, it may slump extra in areas with lustre. I've never heard of using gold resin lustre on glass. But I'm sure there must be some kind of gilding product specific for glass.

Man I've watched so many people do it, I just think I'm doing something minorly wrong because I can do a spiral wedge, but it ends up being more of a nice spiral pizza full of bubbles.

I used that zircopax recipe and it did not work for me, it would always flake off after the first firing and glaze drips didn't come off cleanly like with the alumina. Got tired of reapplying and just switched to the alumina one. Still cracks after a while but nowhere near as bad. I really wanted the zircopax one to work because I have a 50lb bag and it was way cheaper than alumina.

I try not to get comfortable with a weight, so while I can throw 8lb cylinders fairly thin, I always try to get bigger, 10lb, 15lb, 20lb, etc. I feel like if I stay at 8lbs which is plenty for most everything functional, I'll never get better. My problem once I hit 15lbs or so is that no matter how much I pull it seems like the cylinder walls thicken up again as soon as I start shaping. It's difficult to use a lot of muscle while at the same time tryin to maintain even distance between my hands. Working on it though! I usually will only wedge 10lbs in a lump, anything more I cant get my hands around and I still haven't even come close with spiral wedging, that's some voodoo magic I think I need someone to teach me in real life.

So it depends on what I'm doing. For forms I make repeats of, I have a master for each form. It says on the bottom the weight of clay that is used to make it. I put it on the wheel, set a gauge, and then I am up and away making them. For plates it's easy. 12 inch bat, open to the edge, pull the edge in to the pins and then pull the wall and lay it down. It always ends in a 12 inch plate. I use 4lbs for a 12 inch plate.

That looks really nice callie, I'd definitely keep my berries in that bowl

Yikes! I hope stem cell joint therapy is finally FDA approved by the time I get arthritis. I know I can't afford it now, but there's a chance in the future I could if insurance covered part! Amazing how you can regrow cartridge with those therapies, and despicable how they are keeping it unapproved to make money.

Also hit the pottery supply place and picked up another half ton of porcelain... Yes... Another stoneware potter caught the porcelain bug... Could be worse I suppose, but I finally found a porcelain that I love. CKK6 from Seattle Pottery Supply, great stuff if anyone in the Seattle area has been looking for a good throwing porcelain. Not translucent or anything but glaze looks fantastic on it and it doesn't turn to a puddle when you're throwing.

I had a great time last weekend glazing a full 8 piece dinnerware set. Opened the kiln a few days later to crawling on 75% of it. I had a feeling something awful would happen when I saw a few cracks in the glaze; smoothed the cracks in and fired anyway. So this weekend I'm throwing another 8 piece dinnerware set and defloccing the glaze this time.

That's what I use as well, works very good.

I've had snails and wasps eat my pots when I set them outside to dry overnight!

My wife tied the scissors to our drawer handle because I kept losing them in my studio... My ingenious solution was to go to Costco and buy a 3 pack of scissors... I still have one pair and the only reason I still have it is that it's tied to my decal book. :/

Sounds like me!