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  1. All the knob for "overglaze, ceramic, hi fire" does is set an intermittent timer.  A super expensive timer to boot.  I have helped two people get these working and both had a bad timer.  Seems like people use the kiln until the timer fails, and then sell it on Craigslist and pretend it works.

    Anyway, think of that knob as firing rate, and from what I remember, duncan wants you to use the ceramic setting for bisque and stoneware glaze firings and the hifire one for porcelain glaze firings.

    The end temperature is determined by the kilnsitter.  I wonder if what he meant is to use the same setting for bisque and glaze, not the same cone. 

  2. 2 hours ago, Smokey2 said:

    Including this forum? :D

    Maybe!!

    Its fun to watch old videos of japanese pottery villages, harvesting clay, milling it, burning rice husks, etc etc.  It's hard not to romanticize the entire process.  Would definitely do it in an instant if I was confident I could make a living doing it.  

    But I can't even manage a living doing it with current technology and as a side gig so I have a ways to go. 

    Maybe in the next life!

  3. 1 minute ago, Mark C. said:

    Hey your  "sailing mugs", old school travelers.  are what we call Motion mugs or Trucker mugs or Travel mugs.I still make and sell them.

    I attach a neoprene rubber bottom on them so they also make them no skid.

    I can pm you a source if you want them

     

    Ooo nice!  I call them old school travel mugs just because I remember my grandpa having them in the RV back before cup holders were standard in cars lol.  I had someone ask me if I've ever heard of sailing mugs before and thought it would be a fun project to make a couple dozen, as soon as I googled sailing mug I recognized it immediately.  My grandpa switched to the flying J nylon travel mugs shortly after that, and I think I still have one of those too, hah.  The neoprene sounds like a good idea for these if people are really gonna use them in a moving vehicle

  4. 4 minutes ago, LeeU said:

    Technology, as applied to the art and craft of ceramics, may be defined as any practical evolutionary, or revolutionary, advancement of knowledge that contributes to a ceramic process, and which utilizes a more efficient method for enhancing traditional practices, with the aid of science, a system, technique, tool, or piece of equipment.  Lee-the-editor-has spoke;  don't neglect those commas!

    @liambesaw  Thanks for the roller coaster of a wormhole ride down into Wikiville. I visited much of human history, including clicking on Ted Kaczynski's contribution re: technology (except it was deleted), Heidegger, Blade Runner, something about BMI and weight gain, plus dolphins & crows, to hit the highlights.  Made a $5 donation to pay for the trip.

    Hahaha oh sheesh, you just described a typical weeknight for me.  I need to unlearn how to read, all it does is get me in trouble.

  5. 9 minutes ago, oldlady said:

    need to be able to use more "likes" at the same time.

    BTW, liam, you are also using bat inserts.   i have tried for 3 days to get my photo of bat and inserts onto my post re versa bats.

    I love my bat inserts, I have 60 of the inserts and I know the old schoolers see them as a crutch, but I have never enjoyed removing things from the wheelhead and don't have space for 60 full size bats or plaster bats (though I do have quite a few of each).  They also take up the same amount of space on a ware board as cutting off the wheel so worth the investment to me!

  6. This thread hasn't gotten much love recently.

    Right now on my workbench is a small load of "sailing mugs", old school travelers. 

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    Also been doing some water etching on porcelain with shellac.

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      Just finished some Christmas orders, still have more to do unfortunately, and I need to replace my elements of course, something always happens when it's crunch time.

     

     

  7. Technology for craft Ceramics may be defined as any practical evolutionary or revolutionary advancement of knowledge within a ceramic process that allows a more efficient method for traditional practices with the aid of a system, technique, tool or piece of equipment.

     

    I just thought it read a little more concise without changing the definition much.  

  8. 19 hours ago, Bill Kielb said:

    I think the traditional definition of the practical advancement of knowledge within a discipline is very appropriate. In the current day the meaning often has been the use of computers some way. I think the original definition is still appropriate and all encompassing to include any advancement in knowledge whether process, ease of construction, better quality, more quantity etc.... I think the original definition seems well thought out.

    Bill posted it earlier, and then there's the dictionary definition as well:

    the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry.

    "advances in computer technology"

    machinery and equipment developed from the application of scientific knowledge.

    "it will reduce the industry's ability to spend money on new technology"

    the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or applied sciences.

  9. 58 minutes ago, Min said:

    With all due respect @liambesaw I do think it's a useful dialogue to be having. From last weeks QoTW and the topic "Do you draw a line in the sand about technology when it comes to your studio or anything Ceramic?" it was your reply "I think 3D printers are the only real new technology to hit pottery since I was born, so maybe this is more a question for the older people here then?" that brought to my mind the possibility that we have different definitions of technology as it relates to ceramics. To me wifi enabled controllers that have only been available for a few years now would fit Pres's definition and yet it doesn't apparently fit yours. (or was an oversight)

    I believe Pres is very open to suggestions for a QoTW, yours sounds like an interesting one.

    But that fits the normal definition of technology.  And it's also just a slight improvement on existing technology.  It's not new, it's a new feature.  

    3d printers fits what I was saying much better due to the fact that there's been nothing like it before, and it fundamentally changes the process itself.  Although it extrudes clay, it in no way resembles a wall mounted extruder, nor is it's application similar.  I don't buy that its just an improvement on an extruder.

    I don't think the definition of technology changes based on the application or industry.  But being overly concerned with the verbage used isn't really the bigger point to me.  I think the qotw was maybe worded too broadly when the word "technology" was used, it is too easy to follow trails of technology back and try to find a point at where you believe it should have stopped. But it's all technology, right?  Maybe we should focus on categorizing things into low or high tech, or finding the point where low tech may change into high tech.  Or does it matter?

    @neilestricki get what you're saying, but I think that all falls more into jargon than it does definition (as far as new tech, old tech, this tech, that tech).  So maybe the question should be, what is a good definition of high tech in pottery, and what is a good definition of low tech, what are our jargons, and what is the delineator.  Since I think we all grasp the definition of technology now, thanks to everyone above.

     

     

  10. 15 minutes ago, Pres said:

    @Callie Beller DieselThe problem of low tech vs high tech is that it also has a history component that makes defining technology difficult. There are some who would say stick turned wheels are low tech as compared to today. but then they are a big improvement over the cave wheels of egyptian use. To try to rate and configure this would be a monumental direction. If someone could come up with a statement for it, then please present one .   I really can't figure a way to define it in a few sentences. My best effort would probably be several paragraphs.

     

     

    best,

    Pres

    Well high technology deals specifically with electronics, so a stick wheel would be low tech no matter the era.

    I don't think a pottery specific definition of technology is particularly useful or intriguing.  The standard definition works well.  The more interesting and useful discussion is the philosophy of the relationship between craftsman and tool.  At what point on that spectrum do the craftsman and tool trade places?

    Less definition and more nuance.  

  11. I actually saw yesterday a new type of 3d printing, it's 3d printing a silica based thermoplastic with a minimum tolerance of less than 1mm, once fired it's more like .1mm, so may see some super delicate stuff coming soon.  I think it's more for printing industrial components but I'm sure once it's more affordable or commonplace, hobbyists will get their hands on some as well.  

  12. 2 hours ago, Smokey2 said:

    I have a feeling I'm quite a bit older than you. When new technology becomes common place it turns into an appliance that's hardly noticed.

    When I was a kid we didn't have computers!

    Hey, I do appreciate dc motor wheels after using a lockerbie and rk-2s until 2 years ago.  But it's still just an improvement on established 5000 year old technology.  The same for kiln controllers, giffin grip, etc.  

    I've been trying to think of how 3D printing is analogous to any established pottery tool and I come up blank.   I suppose there's a comparison maybe between jollying/jiggering, but to the extreme?  

    It is the inverse of CNC milling, which has been around for my entire life, I suppose if we used a milling machine to trim our pots I'd probably have the same feelings towards it.  I use both a milling machine and a 3d printer in my day job, works great for what we use them for!

  13. 1 minute ago, Min said:

    Thanks for clarifying your position Liam. It seems we have 2 distinct conversations going on here, first one (topic Pres posted) is "Do you draw a line in the sand about technology when it comes to your studio or anything Ceramic?" Second conversation seems to be around the aesthetics of 3D ceramics and if it's a valid form of work for a potter or ceramicist to completely 3D print a pot / sculpture.

    I think 3D printers are the only real new technology to hit pottery since I was born, so maybe this is more a question for the older people here then?

  14. 10 hours ago, Pres said:

    Huh! Think about how much discussion we have had over the Griffin Grip over the years! Tech will always advance new ways, and good ceramic practitioners will constantly learn to incorporate the tech to their purposes in the best manners possible.

     

    best,

    Pres

    But do you consider a giffin grip technology? Or something that fundamentally changes the way pottery is made?  I don't really think its analogous.  The same for electric kilns or kick wheels or electric wheels.  They're all improvements or changes to traditional pottery techniques and don't remove the craftsman from the crafting.  Since I seem to be alone in my opinion, I feel like I need to clarify.  I'm not a traditionalist or technophobe.  There is definitely space for 3D printers in pottery, and I have examples of what I consider a proper use for them.  But fully printing pots is not one of them.  If you designed something, that does not mean you crafted it.  You don't call an architect a builder.  You don't call a fashion designer a seamstress.  Of course they can be both, but being one doesn't make you the other.  When you fully print a pot, it is outsourcing the labor to a machine.  Just like a building developer would outsource design to an architect and the building to a carpenter. 

     

     

  15. I think this quote from oliver van herpt speaks to what I'm saying.  He is a 3d printed ceramics manufacturer:

    "The 3D Woven collection comprises of a weave pattern reminiscent of the days of artisans. 3D printing ceramics has the potential to bring back the unique and individualized objects that artisans make. But, this time it is a machine who manufactures the final product. Each unique vase in this collection shows us the potential of cutting edge technology while reminding us of the days of yore."

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