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  1. Hi my experience is failure is either trying to reach for something new or carelessness.sometimes carelessness yields surprising or beautiful results. The reaching can teach so much but usually much more on reflection. Usually I am so single mindedly going for what I think I can achieve that only later do I realize what I learned from that experience. Also I believe that there is more to be learned and repeated in a group that is cohesive ( not an easy thing to come by). A honed group mind can steer new developments to an advantage w/o losing the goal. I can't say I have ever had a true ephipeny , but my mistakes take the fear out of creating, if I believe that I already have done my worst , can only get better right? Also I always stash my failures. I have found that looking at them later does two things for me: the never are as bad as I remember, I usually kinda like them. And they show a clear path of my development , which encourages me to continue. Jolie
  2. Hi Norm what a great story about the shoes! I want to do that! My husband is a very talented boatbuilder woodworker. I tried to upload pictures to prove it but I couldn't figure out how to downsize in iPhoto . He does stunning work, and cannot sell or market at all. He does not understand who is serious or a tire kicker. He will take a boat out and wonder why it didn't sell on the first showing. Then he gets depressed and doesn't want to show it. Then he fire sales it or keeps it. He will never stop making boats: he loves it, but he might never make money at it. I wish I could find a place that would show his one of a kind wood boats. Sales and marketing is not a skill we are born with, not for every one . So maybe consignment would be better for some. When my 13 year old daughter was about three, I wanted anything art so badly. I choose jewelry cuz she only put food in her mouth. She had asthma and wanted to do all paint with me so pastels ,oils ,and water colors were not an option. So semi precious and crystals, glass beads and lamp work, I wanted color! I made earrings bracelets and necklaces. I gave them and sold them and consigned them. For a novice I did just fine. But there was no passion, I don't wear jewelry . I couldn't remember a piece once it left my hands. Someone would wear what I made and I would comment how nice, and they would tell me I made it. I have a chest of beads, any takers? So it isn't all about money either , right? And then there is always location. Here in florida that mug you made better fit in their cup holder in their car or it's no sale! In my hometown of NYC , it had to be special, when I lived in ptown it had to be artsy, gowanda ny well there were just poor. New Yorkers might spend their last dollar and borrow more to be trendy, I buy only when I am in love. And I do fall deeply in love w things , like they have a soul from those who made them. And then there's always the old adage : things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. I do not believe I can tell you how much to sell you work for. You have to believe that your work will sell for the amount you ask for it, or else it won't sell people can tell. Can't insult yourself and sell it too low, then you will become discouraged and disgusted. Can't sell it for more than the market will bare, some places are still suffering badly and some barely got hit. If things don't sell and they seem well priced could be a could of things: market is saturated , too many similar items. There is no market cuz no one has ever seen the item and doesn't know what to do with it. The item does not follow the local aesthetic rules, is rejected. A little of all above and add a bit of frugal free of spending. I believe in perseverance , if you love it , keep at it, try to make it work. Ask for help from those around you. It will happen if you keep at it. I also believe in local farmers market cuz the rent is low , there is repeat customers, and there is time to talk, get feedback. If you bring your baby for part of the day then people might get how you are doing it too. Jolie
  3. Hi I have gotten a post card for a local bead show , twice a year for years. Not one seller , the whole show paid for it. I also get emails for bead shows a little further away. If you can manage it , why not send cards out that feature several artists in the same show. Or if there is a local , any where stable in the area, advertise that. I have favorite potters in my town that I don't know how to find them. Or an email list. Anything to remind your followers that you are still there. People like to support the arts, like watch development or a crafts person. Makes them feel like they helped make the world pretty and educated. I think eventually an easier sell after an investment of time. Jolie
  4. Hi how did you make the crackle pot please and thank you! Jolie
  5. Hi I too am new, and I too have a second hand kiln, except mine is discontinued , therefore old. I went on to the manufacturer's website and found the manual in PDF. If that hadn't worked , I would have called the manufacturer . They will still help you even if the kiln is not new. After all it is a big investment even for a little one, you will be buying replacement everything if successful , and if very successful you will need a bigger better kiln! So once my kiln is set up I will test run it , noting when cones mature and then I will come here with my 6421 questions and hopefully get sorted out. Jolie
  6. Hi I love marketing! Originally from NYC , so. I have been a buyer and always an avid lover of handmade anything. Recently went to the big deal semi annual art show. Probably had 20 potters of various levels there. The organizers had done a poor job cuz at least 5-8 of them had production mugs that looked very similar. Hard to sell when it doesn't seem special! But one had brought her wheel , and that drew a lot of viewers in. Another had video going of the process. I know in New York if someone could buy something that they felt had a complicated process that they could brag on ( this could be drugs to food to haircuts to handmade) they would buy to feel trendy or special. I believe educating the public about the how is important to a sale for any artcraft. The key is to do it w/o spending all day talking cuz one burn's out. So I like demos and videos! Jolie
  7. Hi I bought a japanese hand painted porcelain vase, and a hand blown art glass perfume bottle. Both were expensive for me, both came in boxes. I don't think my perception of their value changed w the box but I was and am very appreciative to have custom boxes to store these things when I need to. If I was traveling and wanted to buy , that would be a tipping point even on a low end sale and I would pay extra for the box. Also no one has mentioned reusable shopping bag w logo. Just randomly googled for 50 logoed one color free shipping, $1.55. Order more ,pay less. There is some branding for you, especially local ! Just a thought. Jolie
  8. Hi I am totally new to all this too. If you care about the person you are giving the teapot to, and you are proud of your pot, perhaps make your pot purely decorative by drilling several holes int the bottom? Granted that drilling the holes is more than likely a skill in itself! Good luck jolie
  9. Thanks to both of you! I think I am getting myself into a can of worms! But I do love murky and complicated. Ok - being new I am pretty safe going w store glazes that " fit" my clay right? I usually jump into the deep end but that is usually into a pool or at most a lake, and of course this is an ocean. So I am taking it real slow. Thanks jolie
  10. Hi I understand the idea of Coe because I was and am enamored with glass. Is there no way to know the Coe of a glaze? With glass , if the Coe is within a few points of each other, things might work out. Might. How about the coe of clay , it is basically the shrinkage, right? So if I did strips of my clay , measured them precisely , then fired them , I would have some idea of what to expect from the clay for the temp I fired to. Is there no test for the glaze ? Thanks jolie
  11. Hi, I would like to put my two cents in. I believe that even colleges offer reimbursement if one cancels early enough. That being said , this class is not credit situation, but a learning for pleasure situation . Which puts it squarely in the commercial sector . I believe that if one pays for something one should be happy with the quality of the experience or be able to return it. Places of business that do not follow this policy end up with very little return business, especially in the current economic climate. If your friend is truly dissatisfied , and not you being overly sensitive, she could try expressing her unhappiness without putting to fine a point on it. If they are concerned about what made her unhappy , they could inquire. I would not try to warn off futur student or the staff. I would only talk about myself or in your friends case , herself. I feel that the point is not necessarily about the teacher , but more about an expensive class. If I spent that kind of money on a beginner's class, I would want to feel comfortable and encouraged. If I didn't I would ask for my money back or at least a credit. If I was in a more advanced class I might tolerate a certain amount of abuse in return for a larger knowledge base. I might not get on with the teacher, but I would be able to recognize the teacher's insights. As a beginner , I would not have the judgement to see over my conflicting discomfort so a teacher who was apathetic or hostile would be at cross purposes. Jolie
  12. Thanks Pazu (what a great name!) I appreciate your input. I feel the same way about bowls cups etc, not because they don't interested me, but because the irregularity of the shapes is so very impartical for most kitchen spaces. I adore china and couldn't ever hope to compete with commercial or hand thrown experts ! I have worked in clay a little here a little there, and the results I got were what I wanted. But I was firing in another's kiln, and my expectations were around the form, not the glazes. So now I have a kiln, I want to start the real process of learning . I do not have lessons around here that focus on learning the process oneself. There are classes that will allow me to throw or hand build but no kiln processing. So I feel a little overwhelmed but reading others input helps me process where I might need to start. I found a stand alone three key Orton new on ebay for $310. I found a store south of me that sells paper clay. I was trying to get a feel for what else I might need cuz I can easily fall into the collecting art supplies mode, I don't want to do that cuz it is never productive. Even if I set everything up today , make 6 pieces this week, it will take those pieces awhile to dry so I need to slow down. Any way thanks very much for responding. Jolie
  13. Hi Everyone, I want to preface this post by stating : you can point me in the right direction by link or what to search for. I tried to search paper clay and I got everything but! Here goes: i have an old Paragon A66B that is a 4 switch, off low med and high. . It has 1.4ft capacity, temp to 2300f. I hope to put an Orton stand alone controller on it. I would like to use paper clay. I would like to go to cone 6 or 7. My questions.1st Am I being somewhat realistic? 2nd I gather that one can underfire a clay, it will not be as strong but it will be. Not as strong as compared to itself or not as strong as clays that would mature at the cone fired to? 3rd i read here that small kilns loose there heat faster than large kilns and that that has an adverse effect on the maturation of both the clay and any glazes. If this is true , why not ramp and hold and then ramp down? So if i want to do tile and decorative sculpture , how hard do my glazes need to be? Also if I want a matt effect that is similar to the pottery designs of the art and crafts movement would I have to delve into chemical composition high fire or can I go with out of the bottle matt . I do not care about perfect results, I do want to be safe and focus on learning the kiln and clays before I delve into chemicals. If you feel that I need to look at anything other than what I have mentioned, feel free to mention. I have looked at a lot of books , but I haven"t found a book that I felt was comprehensive enough. If you can suggest any I would be much obliged. Thank You Jolie
  14. Thank you very much for your input! I gather that the brent or the bailey are ok bets. I realize the learning curve is steep, but when I went to take classes they were steep too. I have taught myself weaving, water colors, pastels, embossing, on and on. I lived in a rural area with no classes on anything for years. I take that back: an artist gave me lessons on perpesctive and drawing, it was fun! I will see if I go through with bidding on wheel: the Brent that is beat up is my best bet right now, but I am a little afraid of how beat up it is. The bailey is in better shape but is already at 430 and probably will go much higher w the 1/2 hp motor. Idk , might just keep looking and hope for a better deal or save my money and go for the real thing. Thank you for your input, Jolie
  15. Thank you for the fast input. I did check out classes , and the cost is what drove me to look into buying a wheel. I have worked in clay before, I have an affinity for the stuff, I love clay! I want to throw because it trully opens up many artistic avenues. I love in saint augstine florida, and I would like to segue into selling curios to the tourists. We are an artsy town , without any made in town art souvenirs ( go figure). If it doesn't work out like I planned, I am good with that. I am fine w either motorized or kick wheel as long as the ability to have a stable mechanically sound machine is the same. I have read so many articles saying to start w a used wheel, and if must say that I prefer to recycle and buy used when possible, but it have had poor luck with things like refrigerators, middle luck w cars. My husband rarely buys used electric tools, but he buys used hand tools. I was thinking the ie was the way to go, or maybe the used brent b. I am just am wobbling and indecisive cuz I have no input from those that do here in st Augustine. Thanks
  16. Hi, I do need some help. Last year I went through an illness that made me reconsider a great deal of things. I am a waitress, and most people would not have chosen this as a life profession, it has suited me for 25 years, money and schedule being good. After this illness my my recuperation time has been long and I also realized it was time to get the things I have been postponing into my life. I want to throw clay on a wheel. I was going to take classes, but the instructor wants $190 for 4 lessons, and $100 a month to use his studio, bring my own clay and glazes. I already have a kiln, and a shop, I have decided to invest in my own wheel. I am broke from not working for a year , plus I am resistant to buying a very expensive wheel w/o having thrown nor knowing anything about wheels. Here's where I need input: there is a Brent model b used on ebay, probably will bid up to $350, it looks rusty but my husband thinks that it is fine. I could just about swing a clay boss, but I found a few reviews that weren't glowing. My husband is a wood worker so I could get the foot wheel kit by Brent . I could swing the ie by Brent.Finally there is a Bailey pro-x on ebay that will probably bid up to $400. I am a person who almost always goes small, plus my kiln cannot hold large pieces. Any input is very appreciated. Thanks Jolie
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    Hoops hoop girl

    Sculpture made from homemade porcelain paperclay
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