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11 October 2016 - 04:26 AM
I do see them at various potteries but they may just be clueless like me :-)
08 October 2016 - 11:37 AM
I am ordering a new kiln (Skutt KM 1027) and Clay-King has the best price by hundreds of dollars. Before ordering I was reading their shipping FAQ and they state to refuse shipment if damage obvious and they would arrange new shipment. Perfectly normal, but then it stated, underlined, that if there was hidden damage they would have no responsibility except to initiate the claim paperwork with the shipper.
That gave me pause, I mean its easy to say inspect but damn near impossible to do with the company there beyond apparent damage and the underline made it seem like it happens often. I will not be there when delivered so I can only really have the outside inspected and maybe open box and look inside. Also if its 'hidden' as they indicate the that could be pinned on lots of problems that the shipper may argue has nothing to do with them.
Am I being overly paranoid about this or should I bite it and pay the extra 3-400 to buy local and have delivered and setup. My budget is tight as and the extra dough could go toward other needed items. The last 2 kilns we bought I was able to get local guys to match, or come close to matching, the internet price and I paid the saved shipping to them to deliver out and set up so there was no question of damage but clay-king is hundreds less than the local guys where I'm moving, Dallas area, and no one will budge.
Would appreciate any input or others shipping experiences.
19 September 2016 - 10:17 AM
I would like to address something that is troubling to me. I see threads on this and other forums where potters put down other potters (pros and hobbyist) for using automation type tools.
I really think perfectly nice people are not thinking this through (mean people you can't reason with so this thread will mean nothing to them). If you find yourself doing this I really think you should ask yourself why you are doing it? Is it to make yourself feel superior or are you purposely trying to make others feel bad about their choices? Do you realize that many chose centering and opening tools because their age and/or health dictate it to be able to continue to enjoy their craft. Splash pans, bats and trimming aids are all choices folks make for many reasons the least of which may be the skill needed to not use them.
Hamada used coil throwing for even cups, I wonder if he was ridiculed as not knowing how to center and pull.
Me I just think its awful and hate to see it. I'm a pretty confident guy and really don't give a crap what others think about how I chose to pursue my passion and I will happily and boldly tell someone to their face or in a thread the same BUT I was the one of the bigger guys in school that beat the crap out of bully's when I saw it happen (yeah that makes me feel good about my younger self as a kid) but I think it is shameful when I read it because so many people on this planet are not strong enough or confident enough and when they get put down it really hurts them. Often it hurts them a lot.
OK off my soap box but this board is a professional board read by many thousands of artist and I hope maybe a few may rethink it before they throw that jab at a fellow human being just trying to enjoy something that is so much fun and will fight the urge to take the shine off their day just to feel smug or worse just to be mean.
16 September 2016 - 09:24 AM
Per a few of my recent post I am assembling a new studio and used kiln shopping.
Ran across what appears to be a fine kiln for $375 (Olympic 2327) with new elements 4 firings ago and supposedly works great. No visible cracks and really not that much wear on the bricks. The price with the new elements is of course fine but the age gives me pause. I emailed the serial number and got a very prompt and helpful response from Olympic and a link to a pdf manual for it. It was manufactured in 1979 in Redmond Washington and parts are still available. Hell they were a bigger company than Microsoft at the time.
I realize a kiln with a kiln-sitter is pretty basic and if seldom used and/or kept up over the years will have a long life time but what is the functional limit?
Brick, wires and such still age even if duty is light and not all parts are going to be replaced and many really can't be easily replaced or updated. Since I am buying a bunch of stuff at once I like the ideal of saving money on one of these relics and a wall mounted stand alone controller to plug one of these old kiln-sitter kilns would give me the ability to use my glaze firing schedules and half of the investment would be somewhat protected in that piece of new equipment.
BUT having a kiln fail or screw up a load can be very costly so I don't want to be stupid to save a few bucks.
What is the age limit some of you would place on a secondhand kiln? Once I get moved and things settle down I do plan to buy a new larger 9-10 cf kiln and figured this stop gap one would then become my bisque kiln but I may well need to use it for my main kiln for a year or even two or three.
11 September 2016 - 11:10 PM
I am filling a number of sudden equipment gaps all at once and money is an issue, I just can't afford several grand for a nice new kiln.
Although there are lots of used kilns out there in all price ranges, finding a nice one with an electronic controller on my limited budget has become a challenge. I have a 1 cf test kiln with a Bartlett electronic controller. This kiln has been fired very sparingly and the controller should be in great shape. I need to get a larger 8-10 cf kiln in place in my new studio and I am considering changing concentrating on finding a cone sitter kiln (much cheaper and readily available) with good skin, brick and working elements and swapping out the sitter controls with my Bartlett controller from my little test kiln.
Anyone done something similar or have any words of caution?