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What Weight Of Clay Do You Use For Yunomis?

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1 pound is easy aswer.. But I I'll make both male and female from same weight and trim north on the wheel and when leather stage.

 

You also have to consider American standards vs Japanese

 

Like John baymore says learn about and drink a lot of tea. Learn about tea. Teavana is a great entry for the uninitiated. I'm talking loose leaf tea!!

 

Lately I've been making thicker yunomi. A 200F tea in a handle less cup can be uncomfortable

 

I trim away approx 20% of weight and often more than that.

 

Thicker and larger for wood fire, smaller and thinner for cone 6.

 

There yunomi rules are much less stringent than matcha chawan. The only rule I "usually" follow is taller than wide.

 

I bend the standards sometimes with 1/2in or taller foot.

 

If you look at my zen practice picture most of these end up as yunomi.

 

Its one of things a where practicing the technique, and practicing the form. The answer will come..

 

I spend about 50% of my time making yunomi.... Practicing....

 

You know the saying make a thousand before.......

 

Wanna trade a few yunomi?

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1 pound is easy aswer.. But I I'll make both male and female from same weight and trim north on the wheel and when leather stage.

 

You also have to consider American standards vs Japanese

 

Like John baymore says learn about and drink a lot of tea. Learn about tea. Teavana is a great entry for the uninitiated. I'm talking loose leaf tea!!

 

Lately I've been making thicker yunomi. A 200F tea in a handle less cup can be uncomfortable

 

I trim away approx 20% of weight and often more than that.

 

Thicker and larger for wood fire, smaller and thinner for cone 6.

 

There yunomi rules are much less stringent than matcha chawan. The only rule I "usually" follow is taller than wide.

 

I bend the standards sometimes with 1/2in or taller foot.

 

If you look at my zen practice picture most of these end up as yunomi.

 

Its one of things a where practicing the technique, and practicing the form. The answer will come..

 

I spend about 50% of my time making yunomi.... Practicing....

 

You know the saying make a thousand before.......

 

Wanna trade a few yunomi?

HAve to make some first! I make handleless tea vessels but whether they are yunomis or not?// I throw some narrowing the opening for winter tea and more open form for summer teas but I want to pursue this vessel so starting again as it were.

Thanks for your response, lots to ponder.

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A lot depends on the size of the yunomi.  And yes... very traditionally in Japanese culture. ..... women's and men's are different sized.

 

FYI....... for comparison......... the "target" for weight for a Chawan for actual Chanoyu (Tea Ceremony) use (which will average about 13 cm dia at the widest point and 8-9 cm tall) is around 400-500 grams.  A pound-ish (454 grams to the pound).  They are usually WAY lighter than you think they are going to be unless you have actually handled good ones and spent time in a Chashitsu (tea room).  Some Korean Ido style Chawan are more in the 300 gram range (same kinds of width dimensions... but taller).  There is a TON of skill in making a good Chawan.

 

best,

 

.................john

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Does anyone have a good website where one can order a handmade yunomi from an expert/master yunomi maker. I really want to hold a great one in my hand. 

 

When you get to that level in Japanese ceramics... be prepared for about a $600 to $800 price tag....and potentially up. 

 

best,

 

...................john

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Does anyone have a good website where one can order a handmade yunomi from an expert/master yunomi maker. I really want to hold a great one in my hand. 

 

When you get to that level in Japanese ceramics... be prepared for about a $600 to $800 price tag....and potentially up. 

 

best,

 

...................john

 

 

Well then I guess I won't be holding a expert yunomi for a while lol.... well poo.

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I can appreciate your desire to hold an expertly made yunomi.

 

With matcha chawan I. Didn't fully grasp the concept of a chawan until I held an expertly made one. I've seen hundreds if not thousands of pictures, looked at them behind glass at museum, lstudied the dimensions ratio proportions, different shapes, clays, glazes, styles, I felt like I learned nothing until holding a "real" one, a expertly made one. Eventually I held a few more expertly made chawan. In one word ican explain the lesson ....... BALANCE !

 

Now thanks to you. I question my practice. Never having held an expert yunomi,

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Eventually I held a few more expertly made chawan. In one word ican explain the lesson ....... BALANCE !

 

Excellent.

 

When you start to more formallty study Tea...... you start to pick up more crucial aspects too.

 

best,

 

...............john

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A few years ago, I was talking with a potter who made yunomi and asked what was the difference between a $500 one (from his slide show) and the $45 ones he was selling to the workshop. He showed me the picture again and pointed out the ash glaze flow on the cup, fired on its side, into a single drip/spot on the side that was the bottom. That is what we call "dragon's eye" and is very rare -- that is a $500 yunomi. Pointing to the yunomi on the table for sale, he said, no dragon's eye, $45 cup. I own a $45 yunomi from him -- but would love to have one with the "dragon's eye".

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Warning : Irreverence here.

Next tea vessel exhibition, title of my work

" 'Cha wanna yunomi?"

After J Britt's treatment of J Baymore's glaze think this is almost acceptable.....

Nice pot by JBritt.

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Here's a spot where you can order  excellent Japanese tea ware:

http://www.japanesepottery.com/gallery.php

 

note: when looking at these 100,000 yen is about $1000

 

That's a good deal on the Hamada Shoji yunomi with the sugar cane pattern in the "5 Yunomi" listing about the 3rd down on the page.

 

Rober Yellin is "the man" when it comes to English speaking folks knowing Japanese pottery.

 

best,

 

........................john

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So expensive. Need to be a rich man to own some sophisticated dirt molded and baked.  :D

 

Which one is the 100,000 one? The one in the middle in the back row or the one on the right in the front row. My personal favorite is the one in the back middle. and the one on the left front.

 

Edit: I see now on the next picture they are listed L -> R. 

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i have been throwing my cups (which are yunomi-like) off the hump, so sometimes it varies a bit. I try for around 1.25 pounds though. This gives me enough clay to have a substantial foot. 

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