Babs Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Following on from my enquiry re trimming lids, some floks like to make aflange on lid v. a galley. Why and what do you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Bridge Pottery Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I like my lids to be able to row the seven seas so I give them a galley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celia UK Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Naive question I know, but do you have any pics that show the difference? I've heard both terms, but not absolutely clear. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Not naive. It depends on the function of the pot. For casseroles, the gallery should be on the pot to prevent the baked goods from boiling over. The lid of a teapot should be elongated to put the center of gravity on the lid deeper inside the pot to prevent accidents when pouring hot tea. There are all types of needs for the design of the lid and the gallery . Do some research. It can be very interesting. Check Robin Hopper's Functional Pottery of Pioneer Pottery by Cardew. oops! gallery not galley....another craft moment! Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaria Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Isn't it called a gallery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayjay Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Isn't it called a gallery? Up until very recently - yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callie Beller Diesel Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 There's probably more room for a galley in the body of the pot, rather than just on the lid:) Seriously though, I make a lot of covered jars, and I prefer putting the gallery in the pot. I find the way it squishes into being very satisfying. Although if I'm making teapots, the lid gets a flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChenowethArts Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I used to struggle with both flanged lids as well as gallery rims. Anymore, if it is a teapot or a lidded mug it gets a flanged lid. Otherwise it starts with a gallery. And, by the way, moving away from simple calipers to a lid master calipers took away much of the struggle either way. -Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I used to struggle with both flanged lids as well as gallery rims. Anymore, if it is a teapot or a lidded mug it gets a flanged lid. Otherwise it starts with a gallery. And, by the way, moving away from simple calipers to a lid master calipers took away much of the struggle either way. -Paul I love the concept of the Lid Master calipers, but I'm not a fan of the execution. I wish they were made of aluminum or stainless, and that the ends were a lot less bulky. And the price, like all things Giffin, is crazy high. Most of the lids I make are flange type. On a lidded jar it makes for easier access into the jar, and i like the drama of the lip. But for large lids like on a casserole, the inset gallery lid is much easier to make and isn't so heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 All my lidded pots have a lid flange not a gallery. Just don't like the look of a ring of unglazed clay at the top of the pot. Should say I mostly use dark glazes on a white clay, might make differently with a dark clay / dark glaze or light clay / light glaze combo. edit: for small pots I use freebie calipers made from cutting the corners off a metal coat hanger. About 4 or 5" on each side. The thickness of the wire is wide enough so that I measure with the outside edge for outside of the pot and the inside edge for the inside of the flange. (sounds way more confusing than it is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I also believe that flanged lid or galley depends on the pot. Casseroles, a galley, but alid with a short flange ensuring that the lid is on. Large jars the flanged lid to hold on the jar with decorative top. Teapots I have done both ways, but always remember the vent hole. Thing is, look at the functio. Does it need awide lip edge and galley to keep food from slopping on to the table, then design it with one. After all even functional ware can be designed by an artist to function better and be aesthetic. When using calipers I mark the distance on astraight line and then reverse the calipers uing the marked measurement. I usually throw multiples thus using the same marks over and over even months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaria Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 A friend of mine works as a production potter at a local pottery studio, and also teaches children's classes at the Arts Center where I get all my stuff glazed and fired. I was having trouble with stuck lids because I didn't leave enough unglazed on the gallery....and he told me that they don't fire lidded vessels together, and they don't leave parts of the pot or lid unglazed, either. Galleries are fully glazed, as are lid flanges, and they're fired on stilts if necessary. Anyway, I thought that was interesting because all the books I've seen say to fire the pieces together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Yes function dictates for me, but I thought I may be missing stuff. Teapoots I put a flange on the lid but it is also seated in a gallery, thanks Stellaria. i bought a casserole with a lid which fitted neatly over the top of the casserole, it was sold as a bean pot. But yes Marcia the contents would be bubbled over onto the oven floor. A nice round pot but not functional. Hole in or not in a tagine? Flanged lids for jams etc messy as the flange hits the contents. Stellaria i always fire the lids in the pots, less warping poss. in the pot. Put some colour in your wax or resist as you can see more easily the line of the resist Edit : on the lid see bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaria Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oooh, good trick! Just, like, food coloring or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oooh, good trick! Just, like, food coloring or something? Yea anything which will burn out, like not cobalt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugaboo Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 I use food coloring in my wax resist, add a touch of water, and apply it with a make up sponge. I make a lot of boxes and all of this makes it super easy to apply the wax, see where it is, control application and keep it thin enough that it burns cleanly away. I always fire my bottoms and tops together with the wax on the seam. It would be an interesting test to see if I would have more mismatches if I glazed everything and stilted the top and bottom and fired them separately. There are times when no bare edges would be nice. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlady Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 how would stilts work at stoneware temps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Naive question I know, but do you have any pics that show the difference? I've heard both terms, but not absolutely clear. Thank you! Here are some sketches from Daniel Rhodes "Pottery Form" Hope it is clear enough, Celia Above book is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celia UK Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thanks Babs - I know that the gallery is the little rim inside the top edge of e.g. a teapot, but which part is the flange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Bridge Pottery Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thanks babs for the images, made it a lot clearer what has been talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thanks Babs - I know that the gallery is the little rim inside the top edge of e.g. a teapot, but which part is the flange? The flange is the 'ridge" of clay protruding from the lid which fits into the top of the pot seen distinctly in 4 above. I call the dropped down section of hte lid seen in 2 a sort of flange but that type of lid also sits on a gallery.so as I've been known to call a gallery a galley in the past, don't be influenced by me! Awful English sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celia UK Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Got it! Thanks Babs for taking the time to explain in words of one syllable, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Plain speak is the best unless you're trying to pull the wool over eyes I also really have to fight the urge to spell flange as phlange.. where does that come from? Better go check the roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The form dictates which type of lid to use for example a honey pot or casserole I use the outer pot for the lip whereas the pot in my avatar uses the inner gallery as part of the lid Form for me always tells me what type to use. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Throws Pots Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Like others have wisely mentioned already in the thread, function should dictate the form of the lid. The Val Cushing Handbook has a great section on lids. There are drawings of all sorts of different shapes, do's and don'ts, critical mistakes, tips, etc. When teaching lids to my students I'll share these pages and frame the discussion around function, then over the course of a couple weeks cover (no pun intended) 5 lids: - Basic Flange "The Hat" thrown upside down - Basic Gallery "The Bowl" thrown upside down - Flange + Gallery w/Inset Knob thrown rightside up - Flange + Gallery w/Attached Knob thrown upside down - The Russian Doll thrown as a closed form then trimmed gallery and flange So many lids, so little time. Someone also brought up firing lids atop their corresponding jar/teapot versus firing them separately. I'm all for firing lids along with their corresonding piece. Where the clay is going to experience change and movement as it shrinks, I want the set to experience all this change together as one piece. My two cents. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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