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#1 Babs

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:05 AM

Following on from my enquiry re trimming lids, some floks like to make aflange on lid v. a galley.

Why and what do you prefer?



#2 High Bridge Pottery

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:45 AM

I like my lids to be able to row the seven seas so I give them a galley



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:51 AM

Naive question I know, but do you have any pics that show the difference? I've heard both terms, but not absolutely clear. Thank you!

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 06:42 AM

Not naive. It depends on the function of the pot. For casseroles, the gallery should be on the pot to prevent the baked goods from boiling over. 

The lid of a teapot should be elongated to put the center of gravity on the lid deeper inside the pot to prevent accidents when pouring hot tea.

There are all types of needs for the

design of the lid and the gallery . Do some research. It can be very interesting. Check Robin Hopper's Functional Pottery of Pioneer Pottery by Cardew. 

 

oops! gallery not galley....another craft moment!

 

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:53 AM

Isn't it called a gallery?

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

Isn't it called a gallery?

Up until very recently - yes. :D



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:06 AM

There's probably more room for a galley in the body of the pot, rather than just on the lid:)

Seriously though, I make a lot of covered jars, and I prefer putting the gallery in the pot. I find the way it squishes into being very satisfying. Although if I'm making teapots, the lid gets a flange.
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

I used to struggle with both flanged lids as well as gallery rims.  Anymore, if it is a teapot or a lidded mug it gets a flanged lid.  Otherwise it starts with a gallery.  And, by the way, moving away from simple calipers to a lid master calipers took away much of the struggle either way.

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:43 PM

I used to struggle with both flanged lids as well as gallery rims.  Anymore, if it is a teapot or a lidded mug it gets a flanged lid.  Otherwise it starts with a gallery.  And, by the way, moving away from simple calipers to a lid master calipers took away much of the struggle either way.

 

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I love the concept of the Lid Master calipers, but I'm not a fan of the execution. I wish they were made of aluminum or stainless, and that the ends were a lot less bulky. And the price, like all things Giffin, is crazy high.

 

Most of the lids I make are flange type. On a lidded jar it makes for easier access into the jar, and i like the drama of the lip. But for large lids like on a casserole, the inset gallery lid is much easier to make and isn't so heavy.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:23 PM

All my lidded pots have a lid flange not a gallery. Just don't like the look of a ring of unglazed clay at the top of the pot. Should say I mostly use dark glazes on a white clay, might make differently with a dark clay / dark glaze or light clay / light glaze combo.

 

edit: for small pots I use freebie calipers made from cutting the corners off a metal coat hanger. About 4 or 5" on each side. The thickness of the wire is wide enough so that I measure with the outside edge for outside of the pot and the inside edge for the inside of the flange. (sounds way more confusing than it is)



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:22 PM

I also believe that flanged lid or galley depends on the pot. Casseroles, a galley, but alid with a short flange ensuring that the lid is on. Large jars the flanged lid to hold on the jar with decorative top. Teapots I have done both ways, but always remember the vent hole. Thing is, look at the functio. Does it need awide lip edge and galley to keep food from slopping on to the table, then design it with one. After all even functional ware can be designed by an artist to function better and be aesthetic.
When using calipers I mark the distance on astraight line and then reverse the calipers uing the marked measurement. I usually throw multiples thus using the same marks over and over even months later.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

A friend of mine works as a production potter at a local pottery studio, and also teaches children's classes at the Arts Center where I get all my stuff glazed and fired. I was having trouble with stuck lids because I didn't leave enough unglazed on the gallery....and he told me that they don't fire lidded vessels together, and they don't leave parts of the pot or lid unglazed, either. Galleries are fully glazed, as are lid flanges, and they're fired on stilts if necessary. Anyway, I thought that was interesting because all the books I've seen say to fire the pieces together.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:38 PM

Yes  function dictates for me, but I thought I may be missing stuff.

Teapoots I put a flange on the lid but it is also seated in a gallery, thanks Stellaria.

i bought a casserole with a lid which fitted neatly over the top of the casserole, it was sold as a bean pot. But yes Marcia the contents would be bubbled over onto the oven floor. A nice round pot but not functional.

Hole in or not in a tagine?

Flanged lids for jams etc  messy as the flange hits the contents.

Stellaria i always fire the lids in the pots, less warping poss. in the pot. Put some colour in your wax or resist as you can see more easily the line of the resist

Edit : on the lid see bold.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 03:50 PM

Oooh, good trick! Just, like, food coloring or something?

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:50 PM

Oooh, good trick! Just, like, food coloring or something?

Yea anything which will burn out, like not cobalt!



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:15 PM

I use food coloring in my wax resist, add a touch of water, and apply it with a make up sponge. I make a lot of boxes and all of this makes it super easy to apply the wax, see where it is, control application and keep it thin enough that it burns cleanly away.

I always fire my bottoms and tops together with the wax on the seam. It would be an interesting test to see if I would have more mismatches if I glazed everything and stilted the top and bottom and fired them separately. There are times when no bare edges would be nice.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:01 PM

how would stilts work at stoneware temps?


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

Naive question I know, but do you have any pics that show the difference? I've heard both terms, but not absolutely clear. Thank you!

Here are some sketches from Daniel Rhodes "Pottery Form"

Hope it is clear enough, Celia

Above book is great.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

Thanks Babs - I know that the gallery is the little rim inside the top edge of e.g. a teapot, but which part is the flange?

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:41 AM

Thanks babs for the images, made it a lot clearer what has been talked about.






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