Tyler Miller Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Is it porosity you want, or something more along the lines of osmosis, keeping the soil at a constant moisture level? I feel like beyond a certain porosity, you'll have more water come out than is desirable. Simple, plain terracotta may be the way to go. I'm eager to see the results of your experimentation. If it isn't too proprietary, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Bridge Pottery Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Try and bring no assumptions to forum posts. There is no right way to think, just opinions. In a business meeting you may expect some agreement in artistic value and design to be preordained because of your similar societies and educations but here we are from all over the world. Start with a smile and be patient, you never know where it might lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tyler Miller Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Okay, geremyh, this is what you're going to do. You're going to make 50 or so prototypes to test your product. 10 to be bisqued to a low cone. Say, cone 010. Then 10 bisqued to cone 06-04. Then 10 bisqued to cone 02. You're then going to make 10 with paper pulp in the clay, 10 with perlite. For each 10 prototypes, you're going to test 3 in loam soil, 3 in sand, and 3 in heavy clay. Hook each prototype up to a plastic hose or pipe similar to your design and hook up that hose/pipe to container with measurement marks on it. Test the flow that way, with an average of the three of each type being your significant number. The final one of each will be for destruction testing for durability. After this, repeat the experiment with your decorative glaze added. Maybe only the worthwhile ones to save money/time. The cone 010 will likely have to be excluded--you're going to have a tough time finding a cone 010 glaze. I think as a courtesy to us, as we have freely offered up information to you, you should publish the results of your experiment here. No design details, just the results of your experiment which betrays nothing proprietary. Then, I think you should apologize for misrepresenting yourself. In your initial post, you said you were a "super amateur" looking for help with "gifts." On your last posts, this is a business venture. If you're a business owner/CEO, dishonestly asking for free R&D isn't cool. If the reverse is true, and you're just an amateur, lying about your professional status to save face isn't cool either. I apologize for being a little stern, we're an honest group filled with goodwill here, dishonesty would kill the convivial spirit. I like the people here a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzine Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The upside down wine bottles, definitely isn't my taste. I've seen the aftermath of various parties, where planters end up being the resting place, for many a cigarette butt and upside down beer bottle jammed neck first into the soil. The wine bottle system, reminds me of that. If a person was going to have some type of vessel feeding the one below, that's something I'd want decorative and glazed, as opposed to a used wine bottle. To me, the bottle is just better off going back to the recycling plant, as opposed to be repurposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Then, I think you should apologize for misrepresenting yourself. In your initial post, you said you were a "super amateur" looking for help with "gifts." On your last posts, this is a business venture. If you're a business owner/CEO, dishonestly asking for free R&D isn't cool. If the reverse is true, and you're just an amateur, lying about your professional status to save face isn't cool either. I apologize for being a little stern, we're an honest group filled with goodwill here, dishonesty would kill the convivial spirit. I like the people here a lot. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebekah Krieger Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The upside down wine bottles, definitely isn't my taste. I've seen the aftermath of various parties, where planters end up being the resting place, for many a cigarette butt and upside down beer bottle jammed neck first into the soil. The wine bottle system, reminds me of that. If a person was going to have some type of vessel feeding the one below, that's something I'd want decorative and glazed, as opposed to a used wine bottle. To me, the bottle is just better off going back to the recycling plant, as opposed to be repurposed. Hey- stay on topic- parties have not been mentioned yet! LOL!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzine Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 In the interest of full disclosure, I am not an artist and teacher, as I have claimed. I am actually a cheetah in a man suit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebekah Krieger Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 In the interest of full disclosure, I am not an artist and teacher, as I have claimed. I am actually a cheetah in a man suit.... no wonder you seemed curiously attractive I thought it was your throwing pose…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Perhaps loooking at this, you guys are so touchy these days , from the soil in to which these pots are placed, how about improving the water holding property of the soil by adding clay you are too busy to recycle, bentonite, left overs from the raku reducing bins, or a host of other stuff you have in your clay studio, non toxic of course. Then perhaps this would reduce the need for different porosity. Wine Bottle, I used to use flagons with the bottoms cut off by lighting a string which had been dipped in meths, tied tightly around the flagon and then dipped inot a bucket of water. These, if green glass could be used also for mini cloches over seedlings. Have I gone off topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Bridge Pottery Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Perhaps loooking at this, you guys are so touchy these days , from the soil in to which these pots are placed, how about improving the water holding property of the soil by adding clay you are too busy to recycle, bentonite, left overs from the raku reducing bins, or a host of other stuff you have in your clay studio, non toxic of course. Then perhaps this would reduce the need for different porosity. Wine Bottle, I used to use flagons with the bottoms cut off by lighting a string which had been dipped in meths, tied tightly around the flagon and then dipped inot a bucket of water. These, if green glass could be used also for mini cloches over seedlings. Have I gone off topic? Babs you should sell this information to junkies, I always used to see them swirling rocks around the bottom of wine bottles to make smoking paraphernalia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Perhaps loooking at this, you guys are so touchy these days , from the soil in to which these pots are placed, how about improving the water holding property of the soil by adding clay you are too busy to recycle, bentonite, left overs from the raku reducing bins, or a host of other stuff you have in your clay studio, non toxic of course. Then perhaps this would reduce the need for different porosity. Wine Bottle, I used to use flagons with the bottoms cut off by lighting a string which had been dipped in meths, tied tightly around the flagon and then dipped inot a bucket of water. These, if green glass could be used also for mini cloches over seedlings. Have I gone off topic? Babs you should sell this information to junkies, I always used to see them swirling rocks around the bottom of wine bottles to make smoking paraphernalia. Nah, leave them swirling rocks, some things shouldn't be fast tracked! Doubt if wine is marketed in flagons anymore, sigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebekah Krieger Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 All i know is that i keep reading the word wine…. so to stay on topic lets get back to talking about wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colby Charpentier Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 All i know is that i keep reading the word wine…. so to stay on topic lets get back to talking about wine. I think all the "whine" occurred earlier in the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 So, here I am sitting in the dark, everyone else is asleep and I'm trying my hardest not to laugh out loud. Personally, I use leaky pipe to water the garden, much easier after it's laid out and buried to just turn on the tap. (Piped or rain water, both work just as well.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Bridge Pottery Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I hope they are clay pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebekah Krieger Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I hope they are clay pipes. Those were smashed by the art teacher… remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashraf elhamy Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 You can achieve this be control the particle size distribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 You can achieve this be control the particle size distribution How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashraf elhamy Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Mr. Babs : in grinding the raw materials that the slip consists of As the grinding increase the particles become small thus after firing the porous are small and vice versa You can check it with water absorption test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzine Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I hope they are clay pipes. Those were smashed by the art teacher… remember? Probably, that guy is a ########! The topic creator, seems to have disappeared. Someone scared him off, not to point any fingers *cough* TYLER! *cough*...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Miller Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Sorry about that, I scare off all the fish when I go boating too. Gotta get better at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colby Charpentier Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 This has been one of my favorite threads thus far. The entertainment value alone is through the roof... No apology needed! Also, with legalization coming though some states, better practice making pipes again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Boating Tyler, I read bloating and thought you'd gone off topic again! Bloating can put some people off ceramics as it seems to have more than one cause.. it's so darned hard this life! There should be more porosity, or is that transparency in today's world, now, porcelain.. Heck it is just too hard to stay focussed. Hope you guys noted the title by which I was addressesd above! To be expected at my age I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Miller Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Babs, that is too funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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