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#1 synj00

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:06 AM

My 6 year old son is interested in helping me when I'm in the garage throwing pots. The kickwheel is too big for him except to use as a sit and spin. I'm wondering if some of the heavier banding wheels would be enough to throw some light cups and bowls for him and maybe even use it as a portable throwing unit for myself some days? 350lb kickwheel aint going anywhere for the next 10 years :-D

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

I don't think it would sustain a spin for him to throw on. Have you thought about one of the table top wheels such as Shimpo's Aspire? they are small and you could score him just the right size small table to sit it on. As he grows you could just increase the table to fit him. These are actual pottery wheels so he will be learning on the same equipment he will actually be using going forward if he stays interested. Another bonus is that you could take it to any shows you may do as a demo wheel.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:35 AM

I don't see how a banding wheel will keep up the momentum needed to throw a pot. You spin the banding wheel...you touch the banding wheel, banding wheel stops spinning. Maybe instead watch craigslist for an arista tabletop electric wheel. I know quite a few potters that take these with them to shows to demo on so they are light weight but full functioning to throw lighter items.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:55 AM

Mmm good suggestions! I just didnt know how much momentum the banding wheels had. If they were 30lb wheelheads that might keep up a spin for a bit. Thanks for the replies!


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:42 AM

Agreed. Banding wheels are not heavy enough to be able to throw on. Tabletop wheels like the Artista are great!


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 04:08 PM

I will confess to having to sit through a hand building "pinch" pot class that i hated.   I ended up putting my pinch pot on a banding wheel and useing my thumb and forefinger of one hand to smooth the pot while i spun the banding wheel with my left hand.   My attitude of the class didnt improve any at that point as I was clearly trying to mimic what i could do on a throwing wheel which sat mere feet from were i was sitting yet unable to use. 



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:57 PM

Could he "team throw" with you? You keep the wheel going, and he manipulates the clay? Obviously it can't be done while you're working on something, but maybe every once in a while?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 07:27 PM

In japan they have this large banding wheel that you can (almost) throw on. See shiho kanzaki video. You can't get them here. I tried putting a 25 pound weight plate on shimpo banding wheel. Then attached plastic bat. It worked well enough for finishing coiled work, But not enough for a 3 decent pull. It did however make my coil built pots look wheel built. I want to try a 45 # plate. Or heavier. Btw I was using bumper plates which are pretty much rubber on all surfaces.

The finishing pinch pot on wheel isin't alien idea. See video.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:45 AM

In japan they have this large banding wheel that you can (almost) throw on. See shiho kanzaki video. You can't get them here.

 

There are SO many great tools that Shimpo and other manufacturers have in Japan that you can't get here.  I've talked with Shimpo America and the issue is that in Japan there actually is a market for the stuff and they can make better stuff because the potters there will (and can) pay for it.  Their power slab rollers are fantastic........ nothing like them in the States that I've seen.  Lots of differnt wheel types.  And more types of commercial kiln units that you can imagine.

 

As to the original question... if you have wood working skills... maybe build a kid-size wooden frame kickwheel like the old Brent kit. 

 

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:31 PM

Hope this Youtube upload works!!!

 

Had wondered the same thing after seeing a young Korean student at uni once using a banding wheel with very soft clay, was mesmerised.

 

Found this Youtube showing throwing on a banding wheel to addto and finish off a pot begun with flat coils.....beautiful, they make it seem so effortless....but alas, my attempts were not... check out the video.  Could try this with a child as a project idea rather than a consistant method.

 

Also bought my friend's child a toy electric (battery operated) wheel after they came to my studio and he wanted a wheel too. On/off switch, red,noisy, grinding Chinese made unit about 10cm high x 20cm across, good for playing if the child is not serious about developing a commitment.....but if your child is serious then a real wheel investment such as a table top electric is the best bet for your child and as a portable for you.

 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:44 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone. Very sad that there is not more of a market here. I guess its like grocery stores, they carry only what they can sell in each area and even that depends on the profit that can be made sometimes.

 

No wood working skills here as I can only have 1 hobby at a time :-D but I will watch the videos and see if there are some more ideas. There are plenty of metalworking shops around here. If I can get some parts together maybe they can weld up something interesting for us! How about a huge wheelhead with bearings that sits on a stable base that you spin with a stick like a modern day wheel like Shoji Hamada used? :)


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:10 PM

Look on YouTube for car tire potters wheel, and also look back a page or so in this forum for Tyler Miller's thread about his wheel.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:40 PM

How handy are you? 

 

You could try to build the throwing wheel in a 5 gal bucket useing a ceiling fan motor.  I figured it wouldn't be much good except for light trimming as its short on torque, but for a kids wheel it might work.

 



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 02:50 PM

OK, so back to the original question about throwing on a banding wheel: this months Pottery Making Illustrated has an article on pg35 called Thrown & Handbuilt, All at Once. Namomi Tsukamoto demonstrates using coils on a banding wheel then using tools and ribs to throw?? the form. At least for some it may be of interest in using a banding wheel to ?? throw a pot.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:58 AM

Sure you can use banding wheel for throwing (why is it called throwing in English? ... never mind).

You need the one with really heavy metal wheel. If you do not have one, pour miniature concrete "wheel", centre it and connect it to your branding wheel. It can keep enough momentum. It will not be like your kick wheel but it still works with soft slippery clay.

 

If you have a correct size lifting weight (those round ones, that go on a bar) you can use that as a flywheel.

Use soft clay for connecting the bat to your modern "stone age" throwing wheel :)

 

Make a hole to the top side of the bat and use a stiff stick to spin it up.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:28 AM

I guess I am missing the point. If a 6 year old is interested in pottery and his dad wants to encourage this, why not start him off with pottery equipment and tools instead ad hoc stuff? Banding wheels are not for throwing pots and it just seems he is going to probably spend most of his time annoyed with the equipment and likely lose interest in the whole thing.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:18 PM

I throw on my big blue shimpo one:

Coil spin and throw. You can't really center.

 That big shimpo one has quite a bit of momentum.

I have "thrown 14" bottles this way on mine:

Here's the Shiho Kansaki vid:



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:42 PM

I guess I am missing the point. If a 6 year old is interested in pottery and his dad wants to encourage this, why not start him off with pottery equipment and tools instead ad hoc stuff? Banding wheels are not for throwing pots and it just seems he going to probably spend most of his time annoyed with the equipment and likely lose interest in the whole thing.


yeah I can undedstand that logic. We just like to try new things in new ways. I want to expose him to as many things as possible. Who knows what he'll take to? Hes just to small for the kickwheel and im not ready to plop down 3 bills for an electric, even for me. I could also find someone and let him play on their electric wheel too. Or I could run the wheel while he throws. Lots of options :-)

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:27 AM

I throw on my big blue shimpo one:
Coil spin and throw. You can't really center.
 That big shimpo one has quite a bit of momentum.
I have "thrown 14" bottles this way on mine:
Here's the Shiho Kansaki vid:


Where did you buy banding wheel like this?
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Posted 01 May 2014 - 10:46 AM

 

I throw on my big blue shimpo one:
Coil spin and throw. You can't really center.
 That big shimpo one has quite a bit of momentum.
I have "thrown 14" bottles this way on mine:
Here's the Shiho Kansaki vid:


Where did you buy banding wheel like this?

 

I just have the biggest of the blue Shimpo's.

http://www.sheffield...EL-p/sbw30m.htm

 

 

I was thinking about having a Japanese speaker check ebay Japan for one of those huge ones like Shiho has






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