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#1 Chris Campbell

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 04:09 PM

So, my 'original' idea of a layered bowl goes downhill quickly ....

 

Ceramics Monthly - January 2014 - Page 16 .... someone has already been making layered bowls ... hmmmmmm

 

Last month the image below in a facebook post by Marcia ( from Keramikart ) ...

 

Must be some kind of Vulcan mind meld .... and I appear to be very late to the party.

Anyone have a prehistoric example??? :P

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

Great inventions have happened in different parts of the world at the same time. Maybe caused by cosmic rays!

 

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#3 Rebekah Krieger

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:01 PM

My husband is a fiction writer and gets irritated when someone publishes a book with a similar story line or theme that he is working on.  Nothing is truly original, but I can appreciate that the painting of the horse picasso makes, is far from the picture rembrandt made of a horse.  The interpretation you make of your idea is what makes it original.  


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#4 Chris Campbell

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:14 PM

The posted photo looks like an authentic "Chris Campbell ceramic" but it's merely a predecessor piece.
 
 
There are some collectors of this earlier type of work, but Chris Campbell's work was the true articulation of the layered style, so highly prized among collectors.  One of her pieces was recently auctioned for ɛ2.6 billion ChronoBytes.
 
At least that's what I learned on "Antiques Roadshow" during their 2179 200th Anniversary Special. After being broadcast for 200 years "Antiques Roadshow" is now the longest running show in history.


Yes Norm all this is true, but there are serious rumors of a re-animated potter who resembles Chris, furiously producing copies of that work on the underground market. Fake it til you make it !!

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

Understand your feelings, but I think yours look very different that the pic of the impostors.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:21 AM

My thought is its all been done before in asia before the dawn of time at least in ceramics so its all fair game now-orginal idea? well the ones who did it 1st are all long gone. Its your idea that makes it orginal to you.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:28 PM

Chris,

 

Mel Jacobsen tells a story of his apprenticeship with Ushida-san.  He was the "American" at the workshop... and so supposedly was the guy with the "new fresh ideas".  His sensei challeneged him to come up with a new form (on his own time at night after doing the studio work all day).

 

Mel would come up with something at night and leave the pot on sensei's table.

 

He said that every single time, the next day there would be a book in his work area opened to a page with that form on it. This happend for a year.

 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:06 PM

Chris,

 

Mel Jacobsen tells a story of his apprenticeship with Ushida-san.  He was the "American" at the workshop... and so supposedly was the guy with the "new fresh ideas".  His sensei challeneged him to come up with a new form (on his own time at night after doing the studio work all day).

 

Mel would come up with something at night and leave the pot on sensei's table.

 

He said that every single time, the next day there would be a book in his work area opened to a page with that form on it. This happend for a year.

 

best,

 

.....................john

I've seen you tell this story before John.  I think it's awesome.

My students complain, when I don't let them "copy" anything.  How dare I ask for creativity in an Art class!!!!


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:55 PM

My students complain, when I don't let them "copy" anything. How dare I ask for creativity in an Art class!!!!

 

 

Thanks... it is not my story.. and mel tells it WAY better. In case you don't know him he is a great teacher.

 

So here is an assignment that I use all the time at the college level, Benzine. You can have them "be careful what they wish for" ;) . It is the classic "old school" MASTER COPY.

 

Yup... copy a piece. And when I say copy I mean a 3-D "Xerox". Everything,....... size, form, surface, firing finish, the whole deal. (Of course labeled as a copy exercise on the piece in the end.)

 

This is an advanced level assignment. I pick the selection of possible pieces, and the students select from within that grouping I provide to them. It is not a "pick your own" approach. And there is method to the madness of the items that I select to include. And the selection is always beasd upon the particular class og specific students.

 

They usually underestimate how VERY HARD this is going to be. :lol:  They learn a TON of things, the LEAST of which is how to copy that piece.

 

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:18 AM

John you have a very warped and cruel sense of humour, must be a teacher!! :D  :D  :D

Chris, this is why great teachers are not scared of sharing their knowledge, individuals' brains do different things with the knowledge given.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:37 AM

John you have a very warped and cruel sense of humour, must be a teacher!! :D :D :D

 

:) :) :lol:


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:14 PM

Posting two images of my second round of experiments with the idea. Yes, they are different but maybe not different enough.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:12 PM

Chris your pots have a totally different presence.... alive, awakening, the other stuff is closed and dying... to me!



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

To me the most original pottery artist was George Ohr "The Mad Potter of Biloxi". Even though he understood classical forms, he went outside the  structures to define himself in his work. The controlled distortion of his forms created rhythmic patterns that few if any had tried before. 

It also seems that he had a quirk about repeating patterns as in the naming of his children and other things.

Interesting fellow.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

Posting two images of my second round of experiments with the idea. Yes, they are different but maybe not different enough.


They remind me of Peonies blooming in the spring...

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:39 AM

I like Babs description of the contrast between yours and the other. Good eye!

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:47 PM

Several years ago The Christian Science Monitor wrote a long, informative series of articles on the basics of quantum physics. It was probably the best hours I have spent reading something that should have been quite daunting but in fact was reduced to more easily grasped ideas. I don't pretend to have any more than a 'toe dip' of understanding of this exciting world, but I love to know it's out there!


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#18 Chris Campbell

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:31 PM

Wait a day or two and you'll know if that cat is dead!
For me, it explains why so many so called 'blind test' experiments end up just as the researcher thought they would.

My absolute favorite part is the possibility of reaction preceding action ... Way cool.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:25 AM

Take a look at those:
Matthew Chambers in Campden gallery.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 11:07 AM

I have seen objects like that in Vallauris at the Biennial last year. I think there are a few ceramists who try the layered object thing.

 

Chris: I like your "test no. 2" very much. It's lively and looks like a rose in the dawn!

 

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