Thrown_In_Stone Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Well, I seem to have found one of my famous explosive glaze combinations again. I have 2 glazes (Blue and white) The blue is fabulous, it's never let me down but I tried putting a white over the top of it this time and OH MY DEAR GOODNESS. I attach a picture of the the result in in the kiln and one of the pots. The glaze doesn't seem to have run off the pot, more fallen off; I just don't know at what point during the firing though. The recipe for the white is: Calcium Borate Frit: 39Soda Feldspar: 27Whiting: 5China Clay: 6Quartz: 23 Zirconium Silicate: 10 Cone 04. Any ideas? Is there ingredient that may be in the Blue glaze that the zirconium it's reacting badly with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mregecko Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Huh, interesting. It's almost like the surface tension was affecting to the point where it beads up and falls off. I actually almost like the spotted effect on the photo of the vase. The photo of the bottom of the kiln is a bit hard to see, but the thing that strikes me is the DISTANCE from the pieces the glaze is. Almost like shards that pinged off. I'm not an expert at glaze chemistry, so I'll defer to other on the mechanics of what happened. But given the distance and the shape of the glaze on your piece, this is a weird one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Campbell Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 OUCH!!! Looks like the glaze spit off ... or flung itself off ... weird. The most amazing part is that those white mugs didn't get splashed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Min Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Maybe post the blue glaze recipe also since the white alone on the mugs looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohaku Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 The jar is actually quite interesting- surface like scales on a carp. That would be a wonderful effect if it could be controlled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrown_In_Stone Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks for your comments. I actually like the vase too, In fact it's in my kitchen filled with water to test if it leaks (being earthenware), If it doesn't I'll be selling it or at least using it for myself, looks like it should have come out like that! I should note that I wasn't best pleased as this is my brand new Skutt kiln; 3rd firing ever (fist glaze firing). However I know this isn't the kilns fault as it did it in my old one once, not quite the same glaze combo but almost the same. Thankfully not too much damage to the kiln, most of the glaze came off the batt wash with only minor grinding needed. Also ran off the shelf onto the bottom slab which after removal left a 1cm deep hole in one of the bricks *SOB* . Though I'm extremely thankful that it wasn't worse, as one of the splashes was 15mm away from the bottom element groove (how lucky am I?). The glaze in the mugs is not the white, it's transparent but almost identical base glaze. I'll try find the recipe for the blue and post it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bciskepottery Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Colemanite Splutter. A glaze with a large amount of colemanite (e.g., calcium borate frit, gertsley borate, colemanite) can cause the type of ejection in your photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hi I likes the glaze too but was very empathetic re new kiln... bright side, no element damage! I used a glaze by Emmanuel Cooper which had similar characteristics when thick i.e. spat out from pot. the colouring additive for that glaze was Nickel , The glaze gave a great blue/shocking pink colour, but unlike yours , was fired to C9. Was your colourant Nickel? here's the recipe for those who like trials Shocking Pink Glaze Emmanuel Cooper Feldspar 35 Barium Carb. 40 Zinc Oxide 15 China Clay 5 Flint 5 Add Nickel Oxide 1.5% Great colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Someone told me, if glaze is still wet and thikc, it will be fying off the pott, if temp is rising fast at the beginning of firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 There's a thing about glass/glaze. Glass wants to bead up to about a 1/4 in thick. So I believe that as the glaze starts to melt is pulls together and pops off and if there's moisture in the bisk from being too wet ,the steam pops the thick glaze, other wise the glaze just crawls down the side of the pot. Just what I've seen in my disasters Wyndham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJR Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Three things 1.Glaze was too wet when you loaded the kiln. Let pots dry for a day if thats possible. 2.Glaze is too thick. You did say two glazes. 3.It what biskpottery said. Colemaite/boron is a very violent flux. Your fritt contains this material. Ain't ceramics fun? TJR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atommat Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 thanks to TJR I recently had something very similar. I had a significant amount of colemanite in the glaze... I thinned it down and dried it off for a while longer and it seemed to do the job. : D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthB Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Questions, questions, questions! I've known Ghastly Borate to sputter, even in low amounts in a glaze, but not calcium frits.... Even with one that I've used a lot that is 90% Frit, frequently loaded right into the kiln. Have I just been lucky? I would be surprised, because if it can go wrong, it has. Perhaps mistakenly, I considered that sputtering was one of the main issues of Ghastly Borate and reason enough to avoid it. Somewhere on the hard drive, I have a post from the 90's by Karl Platt all about the bad behavior of GB. I will try to find it. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Questions, questions, questions! I've known Ghastly Borate to sputter, even in low amounts in a glaze, but not calcium frits.... Even with one that I've used a lot that is 90% Frit, frequently loaded right into the kiln. Have I just been lucky? I would be surprised, because if it can go wrong, it has. Perhaps mistakenly, I considered that sputtering was one of the main issues of Ghastly Borate and reason enough to avoid it. Somewhere on the hard drive, I have a post from the 90's by Karl Platt all about the bad behavior of GB. I will try to find it. R I've got to agree with RuthB here. Frits do not behave the same as Gerstley. Frits are pre-fired and have no LOI, so should not have the same issues as Gerstley. We need to see the recipe for the blue glaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthB Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Here's the post from Karl Platt on crawling and Gestley Borate Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:18:13 EST Reply-To: kplatt@glass.com Sender: Ceramic Arts Discussion List <CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU> From: "Karl P. Platt" <kplatt@glass.com> Organization: Glass.com Subject: My Crawling Glaze Has Ghastly Borate To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART <CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- This glaze, posted here yesterday, was noted to crawl: Recipe: Percent Batch Nepheline Syenite 47.30 2365 Gerstley borate 27.00 1350 flint (325m) 20.30 1015 EPK 5.40 270 Totals: 100.00 % 5000 gm Also add: cobalt oxide 1.00 50 red iron oxide 2.00 100 rutile 4.00 200 cmc (mix dry powders well)0.15 8 The composition above bears little relation to : 61.61 % SiO2 14.23 % Al2O3 8.49 % B2O3 2.37 % K2O 6.55 % Na2O 6.72 % CaO 0.05 % MgO I get something that looks like this: Wt% Mol% KNa2O 7.37% 7.85% CaO 7.62% 8.99% CoO 1.04% 0.92% Al2O3 14.50% 9.40% B2O3 14.19% 13.40% Fe2O3 2.08% 0.86% SiO2 53.20% 58.59% I get numbers that look a lot different. For several of the raw materials actual analysis were used and for others, the table in Parmelee's book, which has never really failed me, are applied. Rutile, as it is a highly fugitive material was not included in the calculation. This is all to say that there are some descrepancies somewhere that need to be reconciled. The analysis furnished in the original post does not account for the coloring materials. This is not a good thing to do as these can and do profoundly affect the character of the glaze -- especially here where we're looking at 1% CoO and 2% Fe. Anyway, none of this has much to do with the cause of the crawling and that is the use of Ghastly Borate. Ditch the Ghastly Borate and your problems will vanish. Why? Well, once again, Ghastly Borate has lots of water soluble borate. When the glaze is applied to the ceramic, the borates are carried into the pores of the clay and ultimately form a film between the body and unfired glaze. This film, being rich in pure-ish borate, melts a lot lower than the glaze sitting on it. It thus melts well before the glaze and prevents adhesion of the glaze once it does melt -- it's a surface tension thing I don't want to go into now. The effect can be likened to water on a waxed car. There are also reasons why this effect is concentrated on rims, etc., which has to do with how the article dries after it is glazed -- and perhaps with how it was dried in the first place, but the core problem lies in the Ghastly Borate. The reason anyone bothered to invent frit was to solve problems like this a long time ago. Why on earth does anyone still use Ghastly Borate? Study a bit on frit and one will see that a foremost reason for employing frit is to render borates insoluble. >>if fired higher turns greener<< This is related to the presence of TiO2 KPP -- Who'll use Ghastly Borate only if civilization ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I'd recommend putting kiln wash on the floor of your new Skutt just in case this happens again sometime and the glaze jumps the shelf. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 You might even want to invest in a faceted first shelf/kiln floor to get closer to the walls. I would also load questionable ware in the middle of the shelf to protect the walls. Glaze in an element groove can play havoc with the brick and the elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Anyone run into blisters/craters in float blue from the GB/rutile(cone 6). I'm trying to figure out if it's the standard 119 clay(bisk to 04) out gassing or the glaze. Inside the crater looks like a tan/cream colored material. The glaze is screened at 80 mesh with no obvious foreign material on the dried glaze surface like sand or dirt. FB gets greener as it gets hotter on my clay body Wyndham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthB Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Anyone run into blisters/craters in float blue from the GB/rutile(cone 6). I'm trying to figure out if it's the standard 119 clay(bisk to 04) out gassing or the glaze. Inside the crater looks like a tan/cream colored material. The glaze is screened at 80 mesh with no obvious foreign material on the dried glaze surface like sand or dirt. FB gets greener as it gets hotter on my clay body Wyndham Sounds like the soluble boron soaking into the bisque, melting very early, before the rest of the glaze ingredients have a chance and preventing adhesion of the glaze. See the above repost from Karl Platt..... Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Anyone run into blisters/craters in float blue from the GB/rutile(cone 6). I'm trying to figure out if it's the standard 119 clay(bisk to 04) out gassing or the glaze. Inside the crater looks like a tan/cream colored material. The glaze is screened at 80 mesh with no obvious foreign material on the dried glaze surface like sand or dirt. FB gets greener as it gets hotter on my clay body Wyndham Could also be from the rutile. FB is a notoriously touchy glaze. Also, I would stop using #119 for cone 6. It's not very tight, 3.5% absorption. Try #630, it's dreamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 The center of the pit looks a bit like rutile tan. I normally use Laguna's miller 55 but was out for a time, 119 is not my fav clay in any way.. Will 630 go to ^10? I had an order for a FB cone 6 set of mugs. No good deed goes unpunished heh,heh Wyndham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilestrick Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 No, 630 is a cone 6 clay. It's the cone 6 version of 182. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Thanks Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.