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#1 elcimen

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:43 AM

Hi,
My name is Maria and a somewhat amateur at pottery
This is my first post and I'm so glad to have found this forum!
I have a kiln and bought a potter's wheel of Shimpo RK-3E.
Watched a video on YouTube where the craftsman made ​​a slip. I was delighted.
He works on the wheel and with the raw clay begins to decorate with a liquid using Slip Trailer Applications.
Does someone could help me, informing the liquid that is used to decorate the raw clay is Engobes or underglaze?  :blink:
I want to buy the product and would like to really know right.
If Engobes, should I buy liquid or powder?
And Underglaze can use the raw clay?
I thank those who help me  :)


#2 Chris Campbell

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:41 AM

If you post a link to the video, we could watch it and give you a better answer than just trying to guess what was happening.

 

p.s.  Welcome to the forum!


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#3 elcimen

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:12 PM

If you post a link to the video, we could watch it and give you a better answer than just trying to guess what was happening.

 

p.s.  Welcome to the forum!

Thanks Chris Campbell

The link is:

 



#4 elcimen

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:15 PM

What kind of brush is this and how can I get one please?

 



#5 Chris Campbell

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:22 PM

First of all ... I have never seen anyone decorate that way before ... Awesome. I would say the slips are made from the same clay as the pot with colorants added. He makes it look easy but I suspect it is not.

The brush in the second video ... That looks like a brush used by many intricate pattern decorators ... when I asked one where he got it the answer was they make a thick brush out of a specific animals hair then trim away all around until there are only a few strands left in the center and about a half inch of full brush below. This way the brush accepts a very heavy load of ink which trickles out a bit at a time through the few central hairs. That is why they can keep one solid line of pattern going for so long.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:17 PM

First of all ... I have never seen anyone decorate that way before ... Awesome. I would say the slips are made from the same clay as the pot with colorants added. He makes it look easy but I suspect it is not.

The brush in the second video ... That looks like a brush used by many intricate pattern decorators ... when I asked one where he got it the answer was they make a thick brush out of a specific animals hair then trim away all around until there are only a few strands left in the center and about a half inch of full brush below. This way the brush accepts a very heavy load of ink which trickles out a bit at a time through the few central hairs. That is why they can keep one solid line of pattern going for so long.

Thank you Chris Campbell
 
It really is an amazing job. 
I believe the liquid can be Engobes or Underglaze.
Do not you think?
The brush the second video Also thought it was done the way the decorator said.
But I bought this brush photo. I have not received.
I want to see if I get the same-effect.
You know this type of brush?
 


#7 Chris Campbell

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:26 PM

I think he is using matching slip but I would not bet the farm on it. I just think that the way it lays on the surface and melds suggest a matching clay body. Underglaze is so wet I think it would keep moving. Isn't engobes just another word for thick slip?

The brush I saw was homemade ... The bristles were much sturdier than the one in the picture and the base was wider. It almost worked like an old time fountain pen feeding the ink from the base. They worked a long time without pausing to reload the base.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:01 PM

I think he is using matching slip but I would not bet the farm on it. I just think that the way it lays on the surface and melds suggest a matching clay body. Underglaze is so wet I think it would keep moving. Isn't engobes just another word for thick slip?

The brush I saw was homemade ... The bristles were much sturdier than the one in the picture and the base was wider. It almost worked like an old time fountain pen feeding the ink from the base. They worked a long time without pausing to reload the base.

Engobe is basically a liquid clay (slip, in English) used to coat and coloring parts modeled in clay still raw. Thus, the engobe may have different color from the part being painted.
 
For example, when you want to cover a piece of white clay that receive a blue transparent glaze.
 
The engobe is applied to the raw clay and moist (in point leather) so that both shrink together during drying. It should be the consistency of yogurt more liquid.


#9 Marcia Selsor

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:14 PM

I am 90% sure that is a Romanian potter. The slip is similar to feathered slip trailing. The base slip is thinner than the colored stripes.
It takes a lot of practice.I co-authored an article on horizontal feathered slip trailing in 1973 CM with Joe Mannino.

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#10 Chris Campbell

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:27 AM

Thanks for the info Marcia. The potter made it look easy but as I thought about how I could do it myself I was overwhelmed by all the things I would need to learn just to get the slips to run in the right places and stop when they should ... not to mention his effortless even placement of the decoration. I never considered that each slip would have to have a different weight/thickness.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:55 AM

I am 90% sure that is a Romanian potter. 

No, he is from Bulgaria. 100% sure. And what he makes is VERY ethnic. I've been to Bulgaria once.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:02 PM

my neighbor brings me examples of "good pottery" when he goes to see his parents in bulgaria.  they look like these pots.  all i can do is say i wish i could do it.  someone last year showed a youtube of Polish pottery.  wow...........


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:26 PM

The process, in that video, is actually really easy to do.  All you have to do, is have a lot of practice, and  years of experience.....See, easy.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:12 PM

Robin Hopper has a video in slip trailing  and feathering that is one of the best "how to's" around.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:20 PM

elcimen, you seem to have chosen a method of work that would be very hard to do for many very experienced potters.  


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:24 PM

Robin Hopper has a video in slip trailing  and feathering that is one of the best "how to's" around.

Wyndham

Thank Wyndham :)

 

I'll find videos of Robin Hopper :)






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