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What do you do with the pieces that just don't make it? | July 24, 2012

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Carolyn Dorr    15

You may sell seconds, you may not, but surely you don't sell "thirds".

 

What do you do with the pieces that just don't make it?

 

Do you smash 'em, trash 'em, bash 'em or stash 'em? Whether you destroy, recycle, or hoard, we want to see pictures--email them to editorial@ceramicsmonthly.org or attach the picture here.

 

Looking forward to seeing your pics and responses on what you do!!!

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Denice    243

Seconds I give away, thirds I smash and trash, I don't have any pictures just bad memories. I am working right now on filling my large kiln with new work that is a combination of styles could get some really odd work out of it. Denice

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JBaymore    1,432

What used to be a depression next to the noborigama 33+ years ago is now a small mountain. Someday it will possibly be an "archeological dig". ;)

 

 

best,

 

..........................john

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JBaymore    1,432

Marcia post some pictures of your smashed pots.... love to see it

 

John post some pictures of you shards and area...

 

 

For the most part they are hidden under the coating of fall's leaves that get raked in there every fall. Looks mainly like a leaf pile with a few pieces of pots peeking out. Not very dramatic.... but I know what is under there ;) .

 

best,

 

.........................john

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Mark C.    1,807

Thirds get recycled into road fill at our local concrete grind plant-as does the trimmings

Mark

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TJR    359

Here is my great seconds story.

I used to work in a co-operative pottery studio, and we would have a two day Christmas sale, and a one day spring sale before Mother's day.My studio neighbour [also a potter]. sold a casserole dish with a lid for $8.00, at the spring sale. It had a small crack in the bottom, but was still functional.The price tag was marked in red as a "second".

A woman happily bought it. Two weeks later, a different woman came in saying that she had received this casserole as a wedding gift. It had a small crack in the bottom. Could she exchange it for a better one without the crack ? My potter friend did not have the heart to tell her that her wedding gift was a second and that her friend had only spent $8.00 on her for her wedding.She made good on a new casserole to the tune of $65.00.

I immediately got out my hammer and started smashing.

The end.

TJR.

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JBaymore    1,432

Here is my great seconds story.

I used to work in a co-operative pottery studio, and we would have a two day Christmas sale, and a one day spring sale before Mother's day.My studio neighbour [also a potter]. sold a casserole dish with a lid for $8.00, at the spring sale. It had a small crack in the bottom, but was still functional.The price tag was marked in red as a "second".

A woman happily bought it. Two weeks later, a different woman came in saying that she had received this casserole as a wedding gift. It had a small crack in the bottom. Could she exchange it for a better one without the crack ? My potter friend did not have the heart to tell her that her wedding gift was a second and that her friend had only spent $8.00 on her for her wedding.She made good on a new casserole to the tune of $65.00.

I immediately got out my hammer and started smashing.

The end.

TJR.

 

 

 

Bingo! Thanks for sharing that common kind of storry on what seconds and subs REALLY do, TJR. If work is "out there" that is less than your best at the moment with your name on it or clearly in "your style"......... you WILL end up being judged by it.

 

Selling "seconds" for an artist is a short sighted mistake. Small gain now for big loss later. It devalues your work.

 

First quality or landfill. If you do that....... your prices for the work can take off. If not........ well...................

 

If you look at your pottery work more as a commodity.... like most manufactured goods are viewed... then that is fine to do. But if you look at it as something more than that kind of product......... then it is not really doing yourself any favors.

 

best,

 

........................john

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Nelly    16

The quality control hammer strikes again . . .

 

Dear All,

 

My pile has just started as my studio is just under a year old. So far, I have simply been putting the shards in buckets. But I have been thinking about doing some sort of random garden edging with them. Not sure how this will work out but I am thinking it would work in the some way as river rock if I do them small enough. Not sure yet?? I have both bisque and glazed shards so I am not sure what I will do with them.

 

Here is another idea that I encountered at a studio I worked at in Manitoba. Once a year, at Christmas usually, all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford. Often these pieces had only slight dents or chips. Nothing drastic was wrong. Given that most of the potters were students no signatures or telling information was on the pot. Thus, it was a good system. As I recall, my mark at the time was the end of a pencil--the eraser head shoved into the foot. Somewhere out there there are mugs living in peoples homes (hopefully they are still there) will this no tell tell sign of the mark of the potter:) It was a great system. The small community really looked forward to it every year. They sold tickets and the kids lined up for the event.

 

Nelly

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Karen B    26

I hide my thirds in various places; under the deck steps, behind books, in empty boxes, behind glaze buckets on the sides of shelves. I am surprised sometimes when I come across one in an odd place.

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.............all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford.

 

Nice sentiment........ however in my opinion, if this is going to be done it should be done with first quality works....not seconds. Kids are the future of the world. Why teach them that second best is OK when it comes to artwork? When I do stuff with kids they get the same pieces that anyone else gets.......they just get them way cheaper.

 

best,

 

..........................john

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TJR    359

The quality control hammer strikes again . . .

 

Dear All,

 

My pile has just started as my studio is just under a year old. So far, I have simply been putting the shards in buckets. But I have been thinking about doing some sort of random garden edging with them. Not sure how this will work out but I am thinking it would work in the some way as river rock if I do them small enough. Not sure yet?? I have both bisque and glazed shards so I am not sure what I will do with them.

 

Here is another idea that I encountered at a studio I worked at in Manitoba. Once a year, at Christmas usually, all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford. Often these pieces had only slight dents or chips. Nothing drastic was wrong. Given that most of the potters were students no signatures or telling information was on the pot. Thus, it was a good system. As I recall, my mark at the time was the end of a pencil--the eraser head shoved into the foot. Somewhere out there there are mugs living in peoples homes (hopefully they are still there) will this no tell tell sign of the mark of the potter:) It was a great system. The small community really looked forward to it every year. They sold tickets and the kids lined up for the event.

 

Nelly

Nelly;

You are aware of course that I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I don't know this studio, but I will keep my eye out for your mugs.

TJR.

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When I packed for a move across the country, I "found" boxes of smash which I gave to the local school art dept for mosaic projects. I now have my first bucket of smash from my current year-old studio. in a few weeks, some friends are coming over for a mosaic party.

 

Other than my own studio use of some seconds, here and there a friend might choose one, but on the whole, the hammer comes out monthly.

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Darcy Kane    28

My art teacher always said, "Keep it small, it is easier to bury." I try to be really brutal when I go over my ware before putting it in the bisque. If something goes wrong in the glaze firing, it goes to the dump in itty bitty pieces.

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Marcia Selsor    1,301

Marcia post some pictures of your smashed pots.... love to see it

 

John post some pictures of you shards and area...

 

That is something I never considered photographing. They shards go to the land fill as quickly as they can.

Marcia

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JLowes    28

If I have pieces that have been to three or four sales without being sold, but have no damage, they go to Goodwill Industries. Occasionally I will pull one of those from inventory and store it for a while, but after a year or so I go through that storage area and pick heavily for Goodwill.

 

Anything with functional issues, physical damage, or glaze faults gets the hammer and goes to bottom of a flower pot for drainage or to the mosaic stock box.

 

John

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Nelly    16
.............all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford.

 

Nice sentiment........ however in my opinion, if this is going to be done it should be done with first quality works....not seconds. Kids are the future of the world. Why teach them that second best is OK when it comes to artwork? When I do stuff with kids they get the same pieces that anyone else gets.......they just get them way cheaper.

 

best,

 

..........................john

 

 

Dear John,

 

Never thought about that before but it makes sense. We should not short-change the kids. I think in retrospect, it was all the artist members wanted to give to such a sale. Perhaps more thought should have been put into this before we did it (i.e., lets give the sale some of our nice work and let um get it for a cheaper rate). Good example of not thinking long term. Short sighted. A means to an end really. Get rid of stuff, do the community a supposed favor but not acknowledge that we are in a way slighting the kids. Point well taken.

 

Nelly

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Nelly    16

The quality control hammer strikes again . . .

 

 

Dear All,

 

My pile has just started as my studio is just under a year old. So far, I have simply been putting the shards in buckets. But I have been thinking about doing some sort of random garden edging with them. Not sure how this will work out but I am thinking it would work in the some way as river rock if I do them small enough. Not sure yet?? I have both bisque and glazed shards so I am not sure what I will do with them.

 

Here is another idea that I encountered at a studio I worked at in Manitoba. Once a year, at Christmas usually, all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford. Often these pieces had only slight dents or chips. Nothing drastic was wrong. Given that most of the potters were students no signatures or telling information was on the pot. Thus, it was a good system. As I recall, my mark at the time was the end of a pencil--the eraser head shoved into the foot. Somewhere out there there are mugs living in peoples homes (hopefully they are still there) will this no tell tell sign of the mark of the potter:) It was a great system. The small community really looked forward to it every year. They sold tickets and the kids lined up for the event.

 

Nelly

 

Nelly;

You are aware of course that I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I don't know this studio, but I will keep my eye out for your mugs.

TJR.

 

 

Dear TJR,

 

It was in Brandon. The art gallery studio. I wonder if it is still there??

 

Nelly

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Nelly    16

The quality control hammer strikes again . . .

 

 

Dear All,

 

My pile has just started as my studio is just under a year old. So far, I have simply been putting the shards in buckets. But I have been thinking about doing some sort of random garden edging with them. Not sure how this will work out but I am thinking it would work in the some way as river rock if I do them small enough. Not sure yet?? I have both bisque and glazed shards so I am not sure what I will do with them.

 

Here is another idea that I encountered at a studio I worked at in Manitoba. Once a year, at Christmas usually, all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford. Often these pieces had only slight dents or chips. Nothing drastic was wrong. Given that most of the potters were students no signatures or telling information was on the pot. Thus, it was a good system. As I recall, my mark at the time was the end of a pencil--the eraser head shoved into the foot. Somewhere out there there are mugs living in peoples homes (hopefully they are still there) will this no tell tell sign of the mark of the potter:) It was a great system. The small community really looked forward to it every year. They sold tickets and the kids lined up for the event.

 

Nelly

 

Nelly;

You are aware of course that I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I don't know this studio, but I will keep my eye out for your mugs.

TJR.

 

 

Dear TJR,

 

It was in Brandon. The art gallery studio. I wonder if it is still there??

 

Nelly

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I forgot that another thing I have done in the past and forgive me if I have mentioned it before is to simply leave pieces where no-one expects to find them. For example, I have left vases. cups, plates etc. in the middle of a path or concrete street. Once I took some of my left over Christmas ornaments and put them under a tree in a shopping mall for anyone to pick them up. There was a busker close by at the time. I asked him to watch what happened when people made the discovery. Interestly he told me no-one picked them up. To this day I do not know where these pieces are but hope they are being used. Remember, I am not a big name potter as some of you.I am a hobbiest who has to ensure my supply does not get too overwhelming. I still use the eraser as my signature mark but also use my last name with glaze pencil from time to time. Sometimes I use a Chinese imprint piece with my name but all and all, I am not obsessed too much with my name being tarnished by the finding of these pieces. It is, in my mind, similar to the passing a long a book idea. You know, leave it for someone to ponder and discover.

 

Nelly

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TJR    359
.............all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford.

 

Nice sentiment........ however in my opinion, if this is going to be done it should be done with first quality works....not seconds. Kids are the future of the world. Why teach them that second best is OK when it comes to artwork? When I do stuff with kids they get the same pieces that anyone else gets.......they just get them way cheaper.

 

best,

 

..........................john

 

 

Bingo!

When we send art materials to third world countries, we don't send our used pencil crayons, we send brand new sets.

TJR.

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TJR    359

The quality control hammer strikes again . . .

 

 

Dear All,

 

My pile has just started as my studio is just under a year old. So far, I have simply been putting the shards in buckets. But I have been thinking about doing some sort of random garden edging with them. Not sure how this will work out but I am thinking it would work in the some way as river rock if I do them small enough. Not sure yet?? I have both bisque and glazed shards so I am not sure what I will do with them.

 

Here is another idea that I encountered at a studio I worked at in Manitoba. Once a year, at Christmas usually, all the potters donated their second to a Christmas sale. Kids were given the option to shop for their parents as this sale once per year. Mugs went for $1.00 for example. Really cheap prices that the kids could afford. Often these pieces had only slight dents or chips. Nothing drastic was wrong. Given that most of the potters were students no signatures or telling information was on the pot. Thus, it was a good system. As I recall, my mark at the time was the end of a pencil--the eraser head shoved into the foot. Somewhere out there there are mugs living in peoples homes (hopefully they are still there) will this no tell tell sign of the mark of the potter:) It was a great system. The small community really looked forward to it every year. They sold tickets and the kids lined up for the event.

 

Nelly

 

Nelly;

You are aware of course that I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I don't know this studio, but I will keep my eye out for your mugs.

TJR.

 

 

Dear TJR,

 

It was in Brandon. The art gallery studio. I wonder if it is still there??

 

Nelly

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I forgot that another thing I have done in the past and forgive me if I have mentioned it before is to simply leave pieces where no-one expects to find them. For example, I have left vases. cups, plates etc. in the middle of a path or concrete street. Once I took some of my left over Christmas ornaments and put them under a tree in a shopping mall for anyone to pick them up. There was a busker close by at the time. I asked him to watch what happened when people made the discovery. Interestly he told me no-one picked them up. To this day I do not know where these pieces are but hope they are being used. Remember, I am not a big name potter as some of you.I am a hobbiest who has to ensure my supply does not get too overwhelming. I still use the eraser as my signature mark but also use my last name with glaze pencil from time to time. Sometimes I use a Chinese imprint piece with my name but all and all, I am not obsessed too much with my name being tarnished by the finding of these pieces. It is, in my mind, similar to the passing a long a book idea. You know, leave it for someone to ponder and discover.

 

Nelly

 

THE NAME OF THE GALLERY IS ; THE ART GALLERY OF SOUTH WESTERN MANITOBA. IT IS A LONG WAY FROM WHERE I LIVE, BUT IS A GREAT GALLERY.

crap. Caps lock on again.

TJR

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