Mark C. Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 This is not for everyone-If you fire a lot than this will make sense. I have a friend who invested in these for his cone 10 electric and they are great. Even if cone o6 to 6 is your thing if you fire lots of times in a year than these will make more space for pots and makes economic sense over a short time by the extra space they create for work. http://kilnshelf.com/advancer-for-electric-kilns When I switched to them in my gas kiln they paid for them selves in about 2 years from the two extra feet of pottery I could fit in due to them being so thin.(average load is 35 shelves) Some things to keep in mind are they need to be kept dry-do not store directly on concrete floor(put some wood down) as they will explode if wet. Once you use a few you will never go back to heavy thicker shelves.They are very light so your back will like them as well. Again these are not for everyone. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Oz Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 they are expensive, but I can see why they would be worth it for a production potter. Maybe when I decide to get busy, a couple shelves a year. How smooth are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INYA Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffCenter Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Thanks for the info, Mark. Can't afford them now but maybe soon. Matt, click on the link for prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Matt they are very smooth and stay that way for your lifetime as well as flat forever. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 My back is aching after these last couple of weeks of intense loading and unloading at the school. I am thinking of these for my home studio. In fact I am thinking of downsizing from my huge oval kiln that is too deep for me to easily load. Thanks Mark. Good idea. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 My back is aching after these last couple of weeks of intense loading and unloading at the school. I am thinking of these for my home studio. In fact I am thinking of downsizing from my huge oval kiln that is too deep for me to easily load. Thanks Mark. Good idea. Marcia Is your oval kiln sectional? If so rig up a pulley system to lift the top section for loading. This makes a lot easier for that bend over deep load. I did it for an older kiln at HS and used if for about 10 years. I used cable for the pulley system with brackets attached to side walls of the kiln. Overhead make certain pulleys are attached well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Marcia I do not have weights for electric sized shelves but for a 12 x24 in a 1 inch dry press English shelve(33#) which is was I used after my years with silicone carbide shelves. The advancers 12x 24 are 9#s each. My back really likes them. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Ferreira Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It looks amazing, but if that is the price per shelve, I will not even be able to afford one per year. Are they available in square or rectangular shelves too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRoads Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Thanks for this information .... I've seen looking into to these shelves. 35 Shelves ... what size/type kiln is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 My back is aching after these last couple of weeks of intense loading and unloading at the school. I am thinking of these for my home studio. In fact I am thinking of downsizing from my huge oval kiln that is too deep for me to easily load. Thanks Mark. Good idea. Marcia Is your oval kiln sectional? If so rig up a pulley system to lift the top section for loading. This makes a lot easier for that bend over deep load. I did it for an older kiln at HS and used if for about 10 years. I used cable for the pulley system with brackets attached to side walls of the kiln. Overhead make certain pulleys are attached well. not sectional. The shelves are 14 x 28 for the rectangular and the semi -round are 14 x 28. It is a big oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Thanks for this information .... I've seen looking into to these shelves. 35 Shelves ... what size/type kiln is that? Gas Car kiln about 35 cubic stacking space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GailD Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 What about those hollow shelves that came out just a few years back? Very lightweight, excellent quality, and much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 They work great but are thicker and heavier than advancers-they cost less and if space and weight is not a concern I recommend them . I know they stay flat at cone 6 from someone who fires to 6. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 The hollow core mullites are almost as light as my advancers ( I lifted some 12x24 and 12x28 a few days ago-the are a bit thicker 5/8s.) They will soak glaze up vs advancers which never can. But keep in mind I have not been doing this long enough to point anyone into a direction I would hate to have a person think I learned this and it did not work well for them.I would like you to consider this whole thread I started and how little i know on this stuff after all these years and firing. from the 70s to now. Lets let some real old timers chime in some cutting edge stuff with some other ideas as mine are all untested and maybe out dated. Mark This comment above was for offcenter Its really just in jest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyT Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Wow, this thread has gotten nearly a million views! That's a lot of potters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Lily I'm honored to have so many look sees. Until I read your post I had never paid much attention to views on the side -I'm not sure I even new that existed. I wonder if anyone has got these shelves for an electric and found out they can fist a lot more work into the kiln??If you fire a lot they pay for themselves very quickly. Glaze does not stick to them and the thermal mass is less to heat as well.The biggest feature is more work in kiln which pays off soon. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyT Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Lily I'm honored to have so many look sees. Until I read your post I had never paid much attention to views on the side -I'm not sure I even new that existed. I wonder if anyone has got these shelves for an electric and found out they can fist a lot more work into the kiln??If you fire a lot they pay for themselves very quickly. Glaze does not stick to them and the thermal mass is less to heat as well.The biggest feature is more work in kiln which pays off soon. Mark Actually, I'd never noticed that feature before, either, but Chris pointed it out as a way to help figure out if people are looking but don't have anything to add... she actually advised popping an inquiry back up to the top in that case to get more attention and it worked! Someone noticed and answered another post I had up. And your topics are pretty popular, its always nice to read about someone sharing their experience and hard earned methods and pearls. You should blog or do a book, eh? (I know, you're BUSY already, lol.) -Lily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Lily I'm honored to have so many look sees. Until I read your post I had never paid much attention to views on the side -I'm not sure I even new that existed. I wonder if anyone has got these shelves for an electric and found out they can fist a lot more work into the kiln??If you fire a lot they pay for themselves very quickly. Glaze does not stick to them and the thermal mass is less to heat as well.The biggest feature is more work in kiln which pays off soon. Mark Actually, I'd never noticed that feature before, either, but Chris pointed it out as a way to help figure out if people are looking but don't have anything to add... she actually advised popping an inquiry back up to the top in that case to get more attention and it worked! Someone noticed and answered another post I had up. And your topics are pretty popular, its always nice to read about someone sharing their experience and hard earned methods and pearls. You should blog or do a book, eh? (I know, you're BUSY already, lol.) -Lily No time for that-to much to do while I can still do it Pottery diving and fishing and more pottery Life is short and you must live it large. I come from a family of teachers (parent and siblings) and have learned to share what I have learned or discuss what I do not know and need to learn. Thanks you for the kind words Clay has been good to me and I feel its good to give back if you have the chance and this forum has given me that chance. I found this foruem right after my wrist surgery when I had lots of down time-now its working about 80%. My busy season is just ahead and I will be here less very soon till after x-mas 5 more shows and x-mas make for lots of wheel/glaze/kiln time Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 My back is aching after these last couple of weeks of intense loading and unloading at the school. I am thinking of these for my home studio. In fact I am thinking of downsizing from my huge oval kiln that is too deep for me to easily load. Thanks Mark. Good idea. Marcia Is your oval kiln sectional? If so rig up a pulley system to lift the top section for loading. This makes a lot easier for that bend over deep load. I did it for an older kiln at HS and used if for about 10 years. I used cable for the pulley system with brackets attached to side walls of the kiln. Overhead make certain pulleys are attached well. Not sectional and 42x30x30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Seems many want to fit more work in an electric kiln by the number of views-I still say if you fire frequently like once or twice a week these will pay for themselves pretty quickly .You have to consider you will be able to fit more work in kiln as these are thinner and they are way less weight to handle. Wish there was a way I got made 50 cents per view-I could make less pots. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yedrow Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 There is no questioning the rockage of Advancers! Joel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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