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#1 buckeye

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 04:48 PM

nevermind... dindt mean to cause drama on the forum, was not my intention

#2 Marcia Selsor

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:35 AM

Dear Buckeye,
I didn't see the post that you found to be rude. I came here because I found other forums to be rude. I hope we can maintain a civil forum.
Thank for sharing your concerns.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:04 AM

Dear Buckeye,
I didn't see the post that you found to be rude. I came here because I found other forums to be rude. I hope we can maintain a civil forum.
Thank for sharing your concerns.
Marcia



What happened to Randal? Is that what you are talking about, a real shame to lose someone on this forum with so much talent and helpful ideas....I missed the post but someone really seemed to annoy him....pity Trina

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:14 AM


Dear Buckeye,
I didn't see the post that you found to be rude. I came here because I found other forums to be rude. I hope we can maintain a civil forum.
Thank for sharing your concerns.
Marcia



What happened to Randal? Is that what you are talking about, a real shame to lose someone on this forum with so much talent and helpful ideas....I missed the post but someone really seemed to annoy him....pity Trina


I have seen the irritation of people about the ratings system, some of the hubris boiling over into posts where it does not belong. When this sort of thing happens it almost becomes spam which we all hate. I do believe that people need to put a positive spin on things, but at the same time constructive criticism is always welcome-at least for me. I would hope that when dealing with people about their art and their knowledge and opinions that there is not such thing as "not personal". We are all adults here and 3rd grade jealousies do not belong.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:42 AM

I agree about the "being nice" thing, buckeye.....but I think there is MORE negativity going on via the "reputation' feature on this board than in any of the threads here. No..it isn't in your face.....but it IS THERE just the same and it is NEGATIVE without a doubt.

All from folks >>>>HIDING BEHIND THEIR KEYBOARD<<< as you say...which, IMO...is never a good thing for a forum.

If the person offering critique doesn't believe in what they say enough to OWN their critique, is it a valid system of criticism in the first place?

jus' sayin'.....
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

Hi everybody,

On the subject of the plus/minus ratings system .... as moderator I have expressed this sentiment before but it's worth repeating ...

Honesty is always welcome in this forum, including criticism and disagreement. But please always be respectful. And please only write things that you will stand behind, even if someone disagrees with you. That way, whenever someone disagrees with you, hopefully you won't mind.

teardrop, I think you need to understand better how most people use forums. Most people are only here to read, not to post. And confrontation is difficult for most people, in person and online. You really can't expect that everyone who disagrees with you to say so publicly on the forum. It doesn't make them chicken, it makes them normal and civil. The plus/minus buttons are small and anonymous comments. If that makes them invalid to you, then you are free to ignore them. Again, if you are only writing things that you stand behind no matter what, they shouldn't bother you. If it really bothers you, then please accept some responsibility for that. Complaining about the buttons is only deflecting.

In every other forum I read, there are a handful of folks who use forums to become "kings in their own minds." They behave very badly, and they can get away with it because there is so little accountability online. And unfortunately, the silent users of those forums don't stick around very long. This forum is refreshingly free of that kind of behavior, and I think that is because of its structure, including the moderators, the plus/minus buttons, the "report" buttons, etc.. These things require a level of accountability from all of the users.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

Buckeye;
I hope you are not referring to me. I am known for my cutting wit, and sometimes I may have caused offence, when I am trying to be funny. If I have caused anyone an offence, I apologize.
TJR.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:03 AM

Hi everybody,

On the subject of the plus/minus ratings system .... as moderator I have expressed this sentiment before but it's worth repeating ...

Honesty is always welcome in this forum, including criticism and disagreement. But please always be respectful. And please only write things that you will stand behind, even if someone disagrees with you. That way, whenever someone disagrees with you, hopefully you won't mind.

teardrop, I think you need to understand better how most people use forums. Most people are only here to read, not to post. And confrontation is difficult for most people, in person and online. You really can't expect that everyone who disagrees with you to say so publicly on the forum. It doesn't make them chicken, it makes them normal and civil. The plus/minus buttons are small and anonymous comments. If that makes them invalid to you, then you are free to ignore them. Again, if you are only writing things that you stand behind no matter what, they shouldn't bother you. If it really bothers you, then please accept some responsibility for that. Complaining about the buttons is only deflecting.

In every other forum I read, there are a handful of folks who use forums to become "kings in their own minds." They behave very badly, and they can get away with it because there is so little accountability online. And unfortunately, the silent users of those forums don't stick around very long. This forum is refreshingly free of that kind of behavior, and I think that is because of its structure, including the moderators, the plus/minus buttons, the "report" buttons, etc.. These things require a level of accountability from all of the users.

Respectfully to all,

Mea



Well said, Mea.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:06 AM

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:58 PM

Hi to all. I have not seen any petty talk on the education forum. Love to know what you are talking about! If there is something petty out there on this forum let me know what you are talking about, even if it is me. When it comes to art in general we all have opinions some of them educated and some not. But all in all they all fall into the opinion column. No comment should say anything that is personally directed, but sometimes we feel attacked. I am sure I have said comments that some may find offensive at times, but also a grain of salt can be a good idea to embrace. I feel like education is what we should be talking about in this part of the forum so lets stick to that. On a higher level being a person who has been in higher education for over two decades is what I focus on but I still try and chime in on all levels of learning. So, with that said my next post is going to be about our major up coming conference. NCECA is right around the corner.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:03 PM

Brava! Mea. Well said.

Buckeye, I hope you won't stop posting to these forums. You have always had a positive attitude and I, for one, look forward to your postings. You have been through disasters and triumphs that you have willingly shared with us. We have watched your work and your work area improve, and you've proven yourself a survivor.

I went to Randal's posting and added a plus so there isn't any negative red on display. I'm hoping he will come back, and I--among many others--don't understand why he abandoned the forums. I was reading comments on the thread, and don't remember anything that was negative. His work is fantastic, and it's a pity he took offense about something, where I'm sure none was intended.

I didn't know we could make comments in the Gallery section. Considering the number of photos posted, there's bound to be some you like and some you don't. That's a subjective like/dislike. Objective comments are hard to come by because we are more moved by our emotions than our brains. Personally, if I were corresponding with another potter--outside the forums--and was asked for an opinion, I'd try to be objective and honest as possible. Within the forums or the gallery venue, making comments is a dicey situation at best. I would NOT make a comment unles specifically asked by another potter, and then not post it on a forum or in the gallery comments.

My suggestion is that if you want to take someone to task over a posting, do it on a one-to-one basis (personal email) and identify yourself. I've always considered the forums a place where questions get asked and answered. Hope we can get back to that, because the exchange of ideas and solutions is the heart of us--the community of potters.




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