buckeye Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I have a suggestion... I have been searching all over the internet lately for glaze recipes, specifically glazes with wood ash since I am burning my wood stove a lot lately and through all my research I found some recipes but some of them were so vague it didnt even give clues of what color they were or a hint of how they might turn out. My suggestion, We start a few post here in the clay and glaze section and make them so they stay at the top of the forum. Maybe one post for low fire , another for cone 6 (seems to be very popular) and maybe another high fire. Then people can post recipes of glazes that they dont mind sharing, maybe add a pic or at least we could pick that persons brain for more questions and Instead of having them all over the place we keep them in those 3 posts. Of course more could be started like wood fire glaze recipes etc but would be nice to keep them all in their own place, easy to find and all in one place. The only problem I see is if we get several different recipes and people having questions about different ones it might get confusing to keep up....hmmmm Whats everyone else think? Anyone else have an idea on how to approve on the idea? Of course I think this should be Admin/Moderator approved as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabe Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 If this was a meeting I would second the motion. I too would be interested in a data base of glazes. Glazes of all types and temps, shiny and dull, textured and smooth, translucent or opaque. We need a full spectrum of diverse colors to dazel our eyes, excite our heart and spur on that creative drive that lives within us. We need lists, carefully calculated lists. Lists that tell which dusty powders, milled chemicals and ground metals can be combined and united by fire to make beauty. For that is the miracle of pottery. Mud turned into useful art and wares. Whether it be to hold your heart in awe or to hold a cup of tea. Fired clay, clothed in shroud of glass is what excites our souls, drives our imagination and dirtys our hands. If we get a data base of Glazes we need to have pictures. I have a book for college with about 200 glaze reciepts but no pictures so in one sence it is worthless untill I nake up a test tile of the glaze. I am curently working on just that. ain't clay fun Kabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benhim Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Not sure if you found this, but I remember using a glaze similar to this for high fire in college. It came out a toasty brown with golden rivulets using rutile as the colorant. The problem with your question is that ash varies so much your results won't be the same as mine. My guess is the one posted in that link is some variegated runny blueish color, but I haven't use this variation of VC Ash, could be way off base. http://www.potters.org/subject74152.htm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I have posted many glaze recipes on this forum with photos in my members' gallery. I noticed all three previous posters on the thread joined this forum in July and Oct of this year. Maybe there should be an easier way to check the archives because there are many glaze recipes listed. Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Here is a glaze sharing site on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/groups/glazeshare/ Here is John Britt's glazeshare site https://glazesharing.wordpress.com Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Here is a glaze sharing site on Facebook. http://www.facebook....ups/glazeshare/ Here is John Britt's glazeshare site https://glazesharing.wordpress.com Marcia I have seen some glazes posted in the forum but you have to go out and search through posts, some of the subjects dont mention ^ etc so you end up opening several that you dont even need to see. John Britts glaze site is great but some are vague and I find myself asking questions.. also lacking pictures. Kabe said it best.. A data base but I think in a forum structure where you can ask questions to the person who posted the recipe, possibly see pictures, find out if it is runny, stable etc. would be great. I have been researching glazes like crazy and so much is lacking and I would love to be able to ask questions etc. Some forums are capable of sub forums. I think it would be great to have sub forums under this one that are more specific like I mentioned on my first post. High fire, low fire, ^6 and so on. I know this is asking a lot but I think it would be win win for everyone and I think it would drive more traffic to the forum as well. Just a suggestion that I think would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcia Selsor Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Here is a response I made to Grueby Green glaze. I used my gallery for the picture and the comment is the recipe. http://ceramicartsdaily.org/community/index.php?app=gallery&module=images§ion=viewimage&img=778 Marcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bciskepottery Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 It seems the Internet has many glaze recipe sites, forums, and databases that are available; not sure this site needs to add one more or what would be the benefit. One impression I get is that they are a heck of a lot of work to maintain -- more than most of those who started them planned on. Many potters who started them found maintaining them eats into their time for making wares (and remember our moderators are potters who volunteer their time to moderate a forum area). And, there tons of books on glazes and glaze recipes available in bookstores, on this site, and in libraries. Just my two cents worth. You can literally spend a lifetime collecting glaze recipes; but how many do you really need? And, more importantly, how many recipes do you actually test? What works for me might not work for someone else. Kilns differ (even programmable electric ones), clays differ, firing schedules differ. Oftentimes, its not the recipe, but the firing schedule that makes the difference and result. John Britt recently posted on the NC Clay Club blog pictures of cups that he glazed identically and then fired on the same shelf -- the differences among the finished cups are remarkable. The approach in Ron Roy's and John Hesselberth's book, Mastering Cone 6 Glazes is pretty good: find a good (e.g., reliable, durable) base glaze and work from there to develop your colors. Most of the recipes folks ask for are readily available on the Internet, it just takes a few minutes to search. Discovery is a real kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JBaymore Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 You can literally spend a lifetime collecting glaze recipes; but how many do you really need? I've been using about the same 7 glazes for the past 33 years. I still do not know them as well as I'd like. I've added about 2 to the basic 7 in that same period....for a total of 9. I'd say that it is only in the past 5 years or so that I am feeling like I have the kind of control of them I want. I always am telling students that the best way to learn is to find the answers rather than have the answers given to them. Nothing beats learning from doing testing, testing, testing. And as was pointed out above, the differences in firing characteristics and firing cycles of kilns makes any picture of a glaze fired in another kiln at best a VERY vague idea of possibilities. So personally, I am not sure how useful yet another such compendium would actually be, nor if it is really in the best interests of effective education. But I am certainly watching the discussion here and considering the pros and cons. best, ................john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I wouldnt want to put a bunch of extrea work on the admin/moderaters but I dont see how adding subforums like I suggested would create that problem. Yes there are several databases out there but again, most are very vague, incomplete, confusing and most are very lacking. I was on one database that tried to give me a virus. Although I have found some pictures to go along with glaze recipes most do not have any kind of picture. kilns are different and what works for me in my kiln might not do the same in yours. A lot of the recipes scattered on the net do not even say if the glaze should be fired in oxidation or reduction. At least in a forum based data base if that info. is left out we could ask these kind of questions and others. There is another forum I found in my searches that already had this idea but they are lacking involvement in the whole forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 You can literally spend a lifetime collecting glaze recipes; but how many do you really need? I've been using about the same 7 glazes for the past 33 years. I still do not know them as well as I'd like. I've added about 2 to the basic 7 in that same period....for a total of 9. I'd say that it is only in the past 5 years or so that I am feeling like I have the kind of control of them I want. I always am telling students that the best way to learn is to find the answers rather than have the answers given to them. Nothing beats learning from doing testing, testing, testing. And as was pointed out above, the differences in firing characteristics and firing cycles of kilns makes any picture of a glaze fired in another kiln at best a VERY vague idea of possibilities. So personally, I am not sure how useful yet another such compendium would actually be, nor if it is really in the best interests of effective education. But I am certainly watching the discussion here and considering the pros and cons. best, ................john Interestingly enough, I have been using much the same glazes for about 15 years now. I just finished a load that used a new white clay along with the brown clay I usually use at cone 6. I was appalled at the way the white clay and my old glazes worked, whereas my wife liked them a lot. The starkness of contrast in color combinations set me off, whereas she liked the brightness. I guess it is another example of difference in taste. One of the main reasons I have been using two different clay bodies for many many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Campbell Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 "I wouldnt want to put a bunch of extrea work on the admin/moderaters but I dont see how adding subforums like I suggested would create that problem." Unfortunately a whole new forum area for glaze recipes does create another big job. You need a moderator volunteer, you need people to check accuracy and content, you need to keep viruses and spammers out ... not to say it's impossible but we already have a topic called glazes. There is no reason not to post recipes, images and results right there. That is why the area is there. Glaze chemistry is hard. It requires a potter's willingness to test and the bull headedness to keep testing through failure after failure. There is no quick answer to even the most basic question of "Why doesn't mine look like yours?". So it is a difficult, frustrating area of pottery that requires time, patience and tears. Also a sledge hammer. A useful glaze data base is a HUGE job ... In my humblest opinion, right now you are well served by the excellent resources of books printed on the subject ... Yes, they are thick, challenging tomes but well worth having on your studio shelf long before you collect other books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd53 Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 here is a good cone 6 glaze Blog http://wpapotters.blogspot.com/2010/11/cone-6-oxidation-results-group-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabe Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Suggestion on the subject of finding glazes. I expect that most of us have a mental backlog of a 101 creative projects that we want to get started on, plus a pile of every day choirs that we don't mind doing, plus a heap of things that just won't wait another day. I for one, do not want to load on any more work and know that time is precious. I am grateful for the monitors who watch this blog and I have no idea as to how much extra time and effort it must take to preform their duties. As far as the duties of running a blog go, you could roll up everything I know about it in to a ball, drop it into a thimble and it would roll around. So my intention here is not to complain or gripe but to offer a suggestion of a simple adjustment. It seems that having great glazes on our site is not the problem, it is finding them. If I enter "cone 6 glazes" in the search box, I get every post that has those word in it, Because that's how the search function works. So let's make it work to our benefit by helping it out a little. My thought is, instead of building a new building, let's just better utilize the space we have , by creating a index to guide the search function. Earlier today I experimented in my Gallery posting area with the idea that it would be a great place to post a glaze. 1. It is set up to recieve pictures. 2.The comment box could be used to share the recipe. 3. If someone had a question about the glaze they would know where it originated and could contact them directly or through the forum. 4. It would monitor it'self because the feedback about the glaze would be with members and if three people said "Boy This glaze sucks" It most likely would be removed or amended by the orginator. I am assuming that most people would run a test tile before dipping a whole load. I think we could construct a "Guide", like a legend on a map, glazes could be entered under the constaints of the guide and it would focus the search function. For instance, a white, cone 6 glaze would be GL60WT, a blue cone 10 glaze GL10BL. GL =glaze The number = the temp and the abbreviation = the color. Other parameters could be added if one wanted to narrow it down further. I posted a new picture on my gallery page and named it GL60WT in hopes that I could enter that into the search box and it would pull it up. Guess not. I don't know if the search function could be modified to work in the gallery or not. Maybe that would creat six new problems I am not aware of and maybe there are other reasons why no one would want glazes there. It just seemed like a good place to post a glaze. If it is to expensive or impractiable to reconfigure the search process, then maybe we can still develop a glaze code to use when someone wants to share a glaze or if someone is looking for a special glaze. Let's say a cone 6 Robin Egg Blue or an cone 6 ash. They could type in GL60BL in the search box and all the glazes posted in the Forum that fits into this catigory would be shown, but not every post that has 'cone 6 glaze" mentioned. Members would just need to follow the guide lines for when they posted it by typing in the correct code. Not wanting to be a pain. just looking for a solution. Again thank you Monitors for the hard work you do. ain't clay fun Kabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelleyjen Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I agree with you Kabe, it is so time consuming digging through every post. There used to be a fantastic glaze database that I loved to use (www.glaze21.org). I can no longer find it or any info on what happened to it. It was searchable on multiple levels (ex: cone 6, yellow, matte, opaque). I have tried to contact the person to see if they needed help/donations but have not been able to reach him. Oh well, I guess we will keep plugging along. I do many, many tests and having a database does not change that. As stated above every firing/kiln produces different results, but it's great to have another direction to test when you're at your wit's end! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelleyjen Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I just heard back form Paul Miller at glaze21.org. He said there was not enough monetary support for the site. It's really too bad as I do know many people who would pay for access to a searchable database! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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