How Do You Make These Lids?

[nancylee]

HI all,

I'm trying to find out how you make these pointy lids? Both throwing them and handbuilding. And what if you want an inner rim to these, under the hood? to keep it on the spot? Thanks! (and yes, I did look it up!!)

Thanks!

[Pres]

One way to do it, which I have done is too open the clay all the way to the wheel head, pull into a cone shape upward, upward, upward, neck in to bottle, then close completely. Use a rib to shape with the air pressure inside it is pretty easy. Then when leather hard turn upside down into a thrown chuck and trim . The gallery, can be trimmed into the lid also in this manner while trimming.

 

 

best,

Pres

[oldlady]

it looks as though they all sit in a gallery.  just add a downward facing smaller diameter ring.

[What?]

Throw a cylinder on a bat with no floor and collar it closed make the base a little bigger than the gallery on the pot. Refine the form. Cut it off the bat. Wait till it is firm enough to handle before removing. Throw a chuck to accept the piece and trim to size. Throw the finial and attach on the top.

[What?]

Now that I read Pres reply throw with the finial and save yourself a few minutes. They are not that large.

[What?]

A flange is not necessary on this design. To do this you would need to leave extra clay to trim one in. Other option is to add a coil and throw it on after the fact. Other option is to throw a conical lid with flange and trim to form (I might opt for this if the piece is less than 5" in diameter. These remind me of tangines. Good luck.

[nancylee]

One way to do it, which I have done is too open the clay all the way to the wheel head, pull into a cone shape upward, upward, upward, neck in to bottle, then close completely. Use a rib to shape with the air pressure inside it is pretty easy. Then when leather hard turn upside down into a thrown chuck and trim . The gallery, can be trimmed into the lid also in this manner while trimming.

 

 

best,

Pres

Ah, good idea!!! I was thinking I'd have to trim a lot of clay to get that shape if I made it like a regular lid, with the eventual top on the wheel head when throwing. Thank you!

[nancylee]

it looks as though they all sit in a gallery.  just add a downward facing smaller diameter ring.

I don't handbuild much, so I'm not sure how to do that. Just roll a coil and add it to the bottom of the lid? Thanks! 

[Marcia Selsor]

I agree with Pres. Throwing that shape right side up would avoid warping and you could trim it to fit. Throw the galley in the lower pot and measure with calipers.

If you throw it upside down, measure and leave on a bat unit you trim to avoid warping.Take a strip of paper and place the lid on the pot in the galley. you can lift the lid out if you need to do so.

Marcia

[nancylee]

I agree with press. Throwing that shape right side up would avoid warping and you could trim it to fit. Throw the galley in the lower pot and measure with calipers.If you throw it upside down, measure and leave on a bat unit you trim to avoid warping.Take a strip of paper and place the lid on the pot in the galley. you can lift the lid out if you need to do so.Marcia

Thanks, Marcia! I cant even imagine how to throw that lid upside down! Wouldnt the trimming be excessive? I've never thrown a cone shap,with the narro part at the base.

[Min]

Both ways would work, but I think you run the risk of having the rim distort when you cut it off the batt if thrown right way up. If you do throw it this way I would use a needle tool to cut it off the batt rather than a wire. Just slide the needle under the base and run the wheel slowly while pressing the needle firmly to the batt. If I was making those I would throw a V shape, then flip it over, trim and throw the knob directly onto the pot.

[neilestrick]

 

it looks as though they all sit in a gallery.  just add a downward facing smaller diameter ring.

I don't handbuild much, so I'm not sure how to do that. Just roll a coil and add it to the bottom of the lid? Thanks! 

 

 

There's a lip on the inside of the pot that the lid sits on.

[Marcia Selsor]

to trim the lid thrown right side up, you would turn it over. Center a tin can and attach wads to firm it onto the wheel. Roll a coil and attach to the rim of the can. Trim it level and concentric. Invert the lid. Design this can chuck to allow an inch or more of the lid to have access for trimming.

 

to trim a lid thrown upside down with a substantial base, allow it to stiffen on the bat so the lip is firm. Invert and attach it to the wheel head. Yo can trim the pinnacle of the lid and carve a knob out of the substantial base.

The lid will sit of the galley thrown inside the jar part. You need to use calipers to make it fit.

 

 

Marcia

[Min]

 

 I cant even imagine how to throw that lid upside down! Wouldnt the trimming be excessive? I've never thrown a cone shap,with the narro part at the base.

 

 

Might be overthinking this. Just throw a V shaped bowl, measure the rim to fit the base. Thinking of it as an upside down lid just makes it more complicated than it really is.

[nancylee]

 

 

it looks as though they all sit in a gallery.  just add a downward facing smaller diameter ring.

 

I don't handbuild much, so I'm not sure how to do that. Just roll a coil and add it to the bottom of the lid? Thanks!

 

 

There's a lip on the inside of the pot that the lid sits on.

Ive never handbuilt a lid and out a lip in It. How would i do that? Thanks!

[neilestrick]

Just add a coil to the inside of the lip of the pot, about 1/4"-1/2" down from the top.

[nancylee]

One way to do it, which I have done is too open the clay all the way to the wheel head, pull into a cone shape upward, upward, upward, neck in to bottle, then close completely. Use a rib to shape with the air pressure inside it is pretty easy. Then when leather hard turn upside down into a thrown chuck and trim . The gallery, can be trimmed into the lid also in this manner while trimming.

 

 

best,

Pres

Never mind. I figured it out. :-0

[oldlady]

so, nancylee, where is the picture of the finished lid?

[nancylee]

I have made a few - they are absolutely a work in progress!!! I'm trying to post a pic!!