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So I need some sodium silicate and I happened across somebody making it from oven cleaner (sodium hydroxide) and silica gel.

 

Has anybody ever tried this out before? Going to look into it a bit more but it seems a lot cheaper than buying it. Seems like an interesting material I don't know much about.

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Yeah .... it is interesting stuff... with many uses.  (One I learned is in pyrotechnics!)   A basic deflocculant for slips.  Glue for attaching ceramic fiber gaskets to bricks.  And so on.

 

I just did a demo in Jingdezhen (China) in using sodium silicate in creating controlled surface textures in throwing.  Many there had never seen  that before.  Apparently it is hard to get there...... I had to bring it from the US.

 

best,

 

...................john

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With prices as low as £8.75 for 1litre inc P&P it hardly seems worth the effort (but if it's fun...).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sodium-Silicate-Solution-40-Glass-Water-1-Litre-Professional-Seller-/131127341271

... advertised with a surprisingly full specification

 

Moderately interesting document at:

http://www.pqcorp.com/Portals/1/docs/Sodium%20and%20Potassium%20silicates%20brochure%20ENG%20oct%202004.pdf

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With prices as low as £8.75 for 1litre inc P&P it hardly seems worth the effort (but if it's fun...).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sodium-Silicate-Solution-40-Glass-Water-1-Litre-Professional-Seller-/131127341271

... advertised with a surprisingly full specification

 

 

 

Seems like a high water content.  Is that normal?  

 

Might have to buy some of this.  My pottery supplier sold me a 2oz bottle last time I needed it.  Mind, they didn't have a price at the time, so I don't think I ever actually paid for it.

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Amy, I recently drove an hour from my home to a ceramic supply store in New Jersey just to check them out and buy some clay and glazes. I figured the tolls would cost me about the same as the shipping if I ordered online. I wound up spending almost three hours there walking around, drooling, touching everything and buying things I "needed." So, I understand.

 

Paul

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Seems like a high water content.  Is that normal?

 

UK suppliers seem to sell "sodium silicate" in two strength 75 & 1400Tw  (degrees Twaddle).

Personally I found the 140 to be very difficult to handle and measure. Haven't tried the 75,

buying Dispex last time I needed a deflocculant.

 

IIRC most recipes just say sodium silicate and don't give a strength. I've no idea what strength(s)

are normal in the US.

 

Of the URLs given in this thread so far:

- the Axner ref gives a trade-name but no strength, although recommending diluting 50:50 with water

   - a MSDS for the brand gives a s.g. of 1.39 [=780Tw?] http://www.muirbeachcsd.com/documents/n_sodium_silicate.pdf

- the Mistral ref is 750Tw

- the pure-water refs don't seem to give a strength

- my APC Pure ref gives a strength of 82-860Tw

 

So this is the strength I would buy for use as a deflocculant (or dilute a more concentrated form down to).

 

However I'm delighted you asked the question because I realise it probably isn't the right strength for the original poster.

Who said in a later post: I wanted to experiment with it as a refractory glue.

 

So I now realise that he probably wants/needs the sodium silicate as strong as he can get it.  I haven't done a full

search but as a guide Bath Potters offer 1400Tw at £3.14/500g & £23.08/5Kg; unfortunately plus P&P (£3.70 & £10).

 

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If you do go the DIY route have a look at the price of the silica-gel cat-litters (may have to: pick indicator crystals out,

and dry in the oven).

 

Watch the H&S. I have regarded caustic liquids a lot more warily since seeing a note pinned up in a wet-chemistry

lab saying that somebody in another commercial lab had managed to dissolving part of his eyeball with N/10 NaOH

(he recovered). N/10 NaOH is/was the standard titration strength and is pretty weak (0.4%?), so stronger, stickier

and hotter solutions deserve careful handling.

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Thank you for all that peter, now when I am looking I will know about the twaddle degrees. Never seen that before as a measurement,

 

Why do we all use surface gravity to measure liquids, degrees twaddle sounds so much better.

 

I will make sure I have some safety specks and appropriate attire if I ever do get round to using the sodium hydroxide. Wanted to use it for casting slip too but really interested in sticking stuff together too or making a sort of castable refractory gluey thing.

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or making a sort of castable refractory gluey thing.

 

Ever heard about geopolymers? These are synthetic aluminosilicates used as a type

of cement (much closer to Roman cement than Portland cement). Also - just possibly -

what parts of the pyramids were made from (there is a JACS paper).

 

Also used in the ACS mug-drop event.

https://geopolymerhouses.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/super-cements/

http://makezine.com/2009/10/27/super-cements-aka-geopolymers/

 

 

http://www.wired.com/2009/10/super-concrete-in-the-us-military-iran-and-the-pyramids/

 

 

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