What Is Ceramics, Is It Art? in Aesthetic Approaches and Philosophy Posted September 13, 2018 · Report reply 11 minutes ago, liambesaw said: So just to be clear, as long as you study art outside of a classroom you can be original, but if you pay to study art, you can't. No. That is a black and white argument and therefore useless. I'm saying college classes and worse yet, degrees, for the most part get in the way of creative flow, and yet are touted as essential to being a real artist, when the opposite, by and large is true. Many may claw their way past schooling and use some of what they've been taught to add to their repertoire, but what would they have become without this interference and instead merely have been encouraged and supported to do their own thing instead? 17 minutes ago, liambesaw said: You're assuming that people attend school to gain creativity and leave as artists. No. I'm assuming most people go to school out of a sense of obligation and pressure from society and elsewhere. 20 minutes ago, liambesaw said: I feel like creative individuals will always strain to be creative and original, it's just something that drives them. Creativity and curiousity go hand in hand, so no, I don't believe that a quick primer on the history and technique of art (which is what formal schooling is) will retarded or deflect any of that innate personality. We have hundreds of years of formal education and success to point at as proof, so I feel like the burden of proof would fall on people who doubt the value of education. Tl;Dr: creative people are creative, uncreative people arent. School has little bearing on the originality or creativity of an individua Rather than quote and answer how I disagree with every single sentence in one way or another, and not wanting to spend all day on it, I'll just say you can basically reverse all your points and that would be my responses. However I do want to specifically respond to "Hundreds of years of formal education and success to point as proof..." -sits firmly on how you define "success". What you call success I call failure, abysmal failure to be precise. Failures: Where is the thriving art culture in the US? A sliver of what it should be. Also, universities serve only the wealthy so that leaves the other 99% out in the cold or decades of debt. Colleges are still expensive if you're poor and at least the one I went to in CA had a lousy quality of education. One may decide it's worth it to become a doctor or scientist, yes, schooling in that case is obvious but to become an artist when you're already talented? I'd say there is a lot of justification going on due to dollars and years spent.